Solar B Posted June 9, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 9, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can we talk about this wee lens please ... ok so it says its a Elmarit 24mm F2.8. I believe its a real Leica lens ... what do you think , is it the real McCoy in the true sense of Leica lenses , and what would it be worth or cost if buying on its own. Just a couple of questions to ponder Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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prk60091 Posted June 9, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 9, 2011 Can we talk about this wee lens please ... ok so it says its a Elmarit 24mm F2.8. I believe its a real Leica lens ... what do you think , is it the real McCoy in the true sense of Leica lenses , and what would it be worth or cost if buying on its own. Just a couple of questions to ponder Brian at the risk of being facetious the lens says "Leica" it is on a "Leica" camera and was put there by "Leica". . . can it be other than the "real McCoy". if however you mean does it equal an Elmarit for an older Leica..... in my personal opinion- it does... when i was making the decision to buy after it was introduced- i mentally thought 1500 for the lens and 500 for the "sensor + body" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 9, 2011 Share #3 Posted June 9, 2011 It appears to be a Leica designed lens, manufactured for them in the far east. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmond_terakopian Posted June 9, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 9, 2011 Judging by results, I'd say it's definitely 'real'! I use the X1 on assignment & it's helped me make some good work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted June 10, 2011 Share #5 Posted June 10, 2011 Absolutely you can call it an Elmarit The computer-aided design and manufacture of modern lenses makes just about any of them, Leica or not, superior to the lenses of the past We like to glorify the older Leica lenses which were the standard-bearers of their time, but just as a Deusenberg in the 20's had no peer on the road it simply can't hold a candle to the comfort, drivability and safety of the lowliest automobiles you can buy today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted June 10, 2011 Share #6 Posted June 10, 2011 I regularly use both the X1 and my current 28mm Elmarit-M on a digital rangefinder. I also use one of the very fine latest, but discontinued, 90mm Elmarit and a current 21mm Elmarit Aspheric lenses. They are all quite superb which, at normal working apertures, are unsurpassed among the many fine Leica lenses. I also have no hesitation in using all of my Elmarit lenses at their widest apertures. In fact my X1 default aperture is set at f/2.8, such is my confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 10, 2011 Share #7 Posted June 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) What’s in a name? The X1 lens is an Elmarit because of its 1:2.8 lens speed. If it was just slightly faster it would be a Summarit (1:2.5). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted June 12, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 12, 2011 It appears to be a Leica designed lens, manufactured for them in the far east. I always wondered where they were made, which country in the Far East makes them? Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob24 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #9 Posted June 12, 2011 I always wondered where they were made, which country in the Far East makes them?Allan Wondering as well what MADE IN GERMANY on the camera exactly means and where the parts come from... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar B Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted June 12, 2011 Mmmm ... whilst i do rate the X1 lens and believe its the best available on any compact , if its not made in Germany then it is not a Leica lens in the true sense of the word. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted June 12, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 12, 2011 Theres quite a long thread on what Made in Germany means on this forum and the phrase has to comply with EU law. Basically, it means that goods cant be assembled in one country and be designated as made in another. So, the lens wasn't manufactured and imported from somewhere else and stuck on the camera. Reading THIS might explain what it means. I am happy that my X1 and lens wasn't made in Korea or Vietnam and shipped to Germany to be labelled up and boxed. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob24 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #12 Posted June 12, 2011 Thanks for the link Allan - quite interesting actually (geeky interesting, but still :-)). I guess one of the examples they give is very specifically related to Leica (there probably aren't made other "Made in Germany" cameras these days): A company produces objectives for cameras. The lenses are manufactured in Germany. The extremely complex assembly requiring maximum precision takes place in Germany. The housing is supplied from abroad. This product may bear the “Made in Germany” seal if the valuation of the product results from the quality of the lenses and the assembly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 12, 2011 Share #13 Posted June 12, 2011 if its not made in Germany then it is not a Leica lens in the true sense of the word. Brian How so? I have Leica lenses made in Canada, Germany and Japan. Leica buy glass from people like Hoya, from Japan...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 12, 2011 Share #14 Posted June 12, 2011 Either it’s a good lens or it isn’t; what else does really matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar B Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted June 12, 2011 Well im an objectives kind of guy ... the finest objectives i have used to date for astronomy are Japanese in origin and made from (100% CaF2 real Fluorite and NOT a % of as is the camera way) the only glass that im aware of that can compete with CaF2 is FPL53, in combat of CA ... do i think that the X1 lens is composed of either elements well no. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted June 13, 2011 Share #16 Posted June 13, 2011 Either it’s a good lens or it isn’t; what else does really matter? Annnd why do you always insist on throwing out condescending one liners? Whats wrong with asking questions about any given lens and its makeup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 13, 2011 Share #17 Posted June 13, 2011 Annnd why do you always insist on throwing out condescending one liners? Whats wrong with asking questions about any given lens and its makeup? So you believe the original question – “is it the real McCoy in the true sense of Leica lenses” – can usefully be answered? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted June 13, 2011 Share #18 Posted June 13, 2011 So you believe the original question – “is it the real McCoy in the true sense of Leica lenses” – can usefully be answered? To the person who does not own a X1 or does not know what a Elmarit is then yes it can, especially since the answer is for the benefit of the person asking not for the average Leica expert. A lot of people are under the assumption the X1 is a rebranded Panasonic which obviously is something so basic it can be met with a blank stare. Beyond that I think questions about a lens, dense as it may be to some, deserves an honest answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted June 13, 2011 Share #19 Posted June 13, 2011 To the person who does not own a X1 or does not know what a Elmarit is then yes it can, especially since the answer is for the benefit of the person asking not for the average Leica expert. A lot of people are under the assumption the X1 is a rebranded Panasonic which obviously is something so basic it can be met with a blank stare. Beyond that I think questions about a lens, dense as it may be to some, deserves an honest answer. When is a Leica a Leica. This kind of question pops up every now and then. And people have different definitions of what they think makes a Leica a "true Leica". However, in the end the answer is simple. Leica decides, irrespective of where commodities/parts are sourced from, components manufactured and the end product eventually assembled. But somehow, the ferry tale that only German labor working on German soil can manufacture a true Leica product seems to continue in people's minds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 13, 2011 Share #20 Posted June 13, 2011 To the person who does not own a X1 or does not know what a Elmarit is then yes it can, especially since the answer is for the benefit of the person asking not for the average Leica expert. A lot of people are under the assumption the X1 is a rebranded Panasonic which obviously is something so basic it can be met with a blank stare. Beyond that I think questions about a lens, dense as it may be to some, deserves an honest answer. The OP asked if it was a 'real' Leica lens. Leica are generally known for making rather good lenses, and a quick Google search will bring you to numerous on line reviews which speak highly of the lens/image quality from the X1. The lens is branded as a Leica lens. What more is there to know? If it was made in Japan does that mean it's not a Leica lens? If so, why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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