Manolo Laguillo Posted April 24, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, after finding a 2nd hand 24mm shift Zuiko lens in good shape (designed by Olympus for the OM SLR's in 1984) and at a very good price, I finally managed to get it on the M9 via an adapter made in Italy by Adriano Lolli (thank you very much to the italian friends which mentioned him!). I like the quality, and the fact that the 2:3 proportion is preserved, something that's not always the case when correcting in PP the 'falling vertical lines' that happen when the camera is looking up (or down) with a conventional, not shifting, lens. Of course, there is CA on the edges, but that can be corrected in PP till a certain point. I include some pictures of the lens on the M9, and an example. This was made without tripod. In PP I had to rotate the image very slightly. Regards from Barcelona, Manolo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150054-shift-wa-lens-on-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1654720'>More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted April 24, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 24, 2011 Manolo, I love weird lenses on M8 and 9 cameras. I use a Zenit 16mm rectilinear fish-eye. Does this lens shift horizontally as well as vertically. I can feel myself getting tempted. I can of course buy the new 35 and 80mm M42 shift lenses currently made in the Ukraine but they are not cheap. I already have an Elephoto M42 to Leica M adapter. I don't think I would use an expensive shift lens enough to make the purchase worthwhile. Do you mind telling me the cost of the Lolli adapter. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted April 24, 2011 Hi, Wilson, the adapter´s price is aprox 70 euros, shipping excl. Here you will find everything Adriano Lolli - Home Page Cheers, Manolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 25, 2011 Share #4 Posted April 25, 2011 Manolo, Thanks for the link. However, I see those Oly lenses are going for over £1,000 on Fleabay, so unless you can pick up a lens cheaply elsewhere, quite an expensive exercise. I have found a second hand (used for one project) Arsat 35 M42 shift lens for $550. I am just not sure if I would get $550 of value out of it. I see you are using a Thumbie. I did the initial "development" of the finish for the grey one for the M9 and the satin chrome one for M8's for Steve (SWB250), although I don't think the chrome ones are on the market yet, so I may still have the only one. Hope you are enjoying it. Below is a picture taken of my house in France with the Zenitar Fish-Eye on the M9. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150054-shift-wa-lens-on-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1655046'>More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted April 25, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 25, 2011 Manolo That looks like a clever adaptation. Does the adapter preserve the infinity setting of the Olympus lens and how do you compose using a shift lens with the M9? Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted April 25, 2011 Hi, I'm very happy with the Thumbie, more than with the Thumbs-Up, Wilson: now the shoe is free, and the M9 recovered its original low profile. But the most important point is that my thumb interacts with the Thumbie better than with the Thumb-Up: I have small hands. This 24 Zuiko shift was not cheap, but not expensive: 999 Euros, lower than the usual prices. In any case it's cheaper than the 24 TS from Canon, and I can use it on an EOS with an adapter if need arises. The framing with this combo is by trial and error, Nick. I use the 24mm external finder for left-right framing, and shift the lens up (or down) step by step till I achieve the desired up-und-down framing. With a tripod this is easier than done "by hand", of course. Cheers, Manolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted April 25, 2011 Share #7 Posted April 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do occasionally (very occasionally) use an Olympus 16mm Semi-Fisheye on my M9. The adapter is by Novoflex. For levelling the camera, more than for actual framing, I use a C/V 15mm finder I happen to have. With a lens like that, you don't reallly frame the picture. You simply get everything! But levelling is important if you want to avoid acute seasickness. I think I have seen Jaap do this stunt too. The old man with the bandanna and two peg legs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted April 25, 2011 Share #8 Posted April 25, 2011 The framing with this combo is by trial and error, Nick. I use the 24mm external finder for left-right framing, and shift the lens up (or down) step by step till I achieve the desired up-und-down framing. With a tripod this is easier than done "by hand", of course. I guess it is still easier than setting up a view camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 25, 2011 Share #9 Posted April 25, 2011 Sure is. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150054-shift-wa-lens-on-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1655308'>More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 25, 2011 Share #10 Posted April 25, 2011 Wilson, they look like the same guys who used to drive steam locomotives. Wonder if they were moonlighting on one of the jobs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 25, 2011 Share #11 Posted April 25, 2011 What DID they use for a lens? Did they steal an objective from the local astronomical observatory? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted April 25, 2011 Share #12 Posted April 25, 2011 IIRC that camera was used to photograph trains, so they may well have been railway workers. The idea was to make nice big contact prints showing every detail of the locomotive and rolling stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 26, 2011 Share #13 Posted April 26, 2011 Manolo, Thanks for the link. However, I see those Oly lenses are going for over £1,000 on Fleabay, so unless you can pick up a lens cheaply elsewhere, quite an expensive exercise. I have found a second hand (used for one project) Arsat 35 M42 shift lens for $550. I tested a friend's Arsat 35 shift a few years ago and it was pretty terrible compared with the old Nikkor 35 2.8 PC lens that I use. I have an Arsat 80 tilt shift and it is ok but I think I only paid around $175 for it 10 years ago or so. That is simply the Kiev 60 standard 80mm lens mounted in a tilt shift mechanism. The adjusting threads are so fine that you have to turn and turn to move the lens... pretty stupid. In my opinion, $500 is way out of line for these lenses. A bunch of Kiev 6x6 lenses were made with shift and tilt shift mounts that used adapters for various 35mm cameras. And other companies make tilt shift adapters for various lenses and cameras. But the trick is getting really wide tilt shift lenses. Until Canon made a 24 TSE, Olympus was the only company who made a 24mm shift and some people adapted them to other cameras. I also have a Nikkor 28mm F4 PC lens that is pretty good but not as good as the Nikkor 35 and not close to the new Canon 24 TSE. There is a later 28mm f3.5 Nikkor that should be a bit better. You should be able to mount any of these on a Leica M but I bet they aren't cheap either. When using software to straighten converging lines it is generally advisable to also stretch the picture in the other direction to preserve the proportions of the subject. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted April 26, 2011 Share #14 Posted April 26, 2011 Don't forget the possibility of an R to M adapter (either Leica's own s/h, or, for example, Novoflex) together with a PC 28/2.8 Super Angulon R. Shift only though, no tilt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted April 26, 2011 I also have a Nikkor 28mm F4 PC lens that is pretty good but not as good as the Nikkor 35 and not close to the new Canon 24 TSE. There is a later 28mm f3.5 Nikkor that should be a bit better. You should be able to mount any of these on a Leica M but I bet they aren't cheap either. your opinion on the 35 PC Nikkor is therefore high, is that what you said? When using software to straighten converging lines it is generally advisable to also stretch the picture in the other direction to preserve the proportions of the subject. mmh, ok, but that means "inventing" pixels, because the tendency is toward the squareness when correcting the falling verticals from a building photographed from the street level. That "pixel invention" comes with a loss of quality, am I right? Yes, John, indeed: the 28mm PC Super-Angulon for Leica R seems to be an excellent lens... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted April 26, 2011 Share #16 Posted April 26, 2011 Don't forget the possibility of an R to M adapter (either Leica's own s/h, or, for example, Novoflex) together with a PC 28/2.8 Super Angulon R. Shift only though, no tilt. I have this set up, can't say that it focusses accurately enough, but I need to test it more. The 28 PC gave good images on my M7, though. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 26, 2011 Share #17 Posted April 26, 2011 your opinion on the 35 PC Nikkor is therefore high, is that what you said? mmh, ok, but that means "inventing" pixels, because the tendency is toward the squareness when correcting the falling verticals from a building photographed from the street level. That "pixel invention" comes with a loss of quality, am I right? Yes, John, indeed: the 28mm PC Super-Angulon for Leica R seems to be an excellent lens... Yes the 35 2.8 Nikkor is very good. I use it all the time for home exteriors. Of course additional pixels need to be generated when stretching a photo. My point was about balancing the proportions after one alters the image in one dimension. In the small amounts that I have typically altered the image, I haven't seen obvious loss of detail however. As some of you may know, my opinion is that if the M had live view, it would greatly facilitate using many of these and other lenses. Here's a very extreme example that still worked OK. I use DXO Optics pro for conversions and correction. It automatically optimizes the lens corrections. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/150054-shift-wa-lens-on-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1656151'>More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share #18 Posted April 26, 2011 I have this set up, can't say that it focusses accurately enough, but I need to test it more.The 28 PC gave good images on my M7, though. John Excuse me, John, for saying the obvious: If architecture, cityscape and landscape is the subject, focus is infinity by default. And the diaphragm should be at least f.8, or even f.11, to have a good quality at the borders when shifting. Focus can´t be a problem in such a scenario, in my opinion. But perhaps you refer to the fact that there is no coupling with the focusing mechanism... In the german speaking part of this forum there is a colleague who owns the 28mm PC Super-Angulon for Leica R, and he uses it with the M9. Look under "Leica Kundenforum" the thread 28 shift Objektiv an der M9: Leica, Nikon, vielleicht sogar Olympus? Thank you, AlanG, for that very nice example of software lens correction. Cheers, Manolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted April 26, 2011 Share #19 Posted April 26, 2011 Excuse me, John, for saying the obvious: If architecture, cityscape and landscape is the subject, focus is infinity by default. And the diaphragm should be at least f.8, or even f.11, to have a good quality at the borders when shifting. Focus can´t be a problem in such a scenario, in my opinion. But perhaps you refer to the fact that there is no coupling with the focusing mechanism... In the german speaking part of this forum there is a colleague who owns the 28mm PC Super-Angulon for Leica R, and he uses it with the M9. Look under "Leica Kundenforum" the thread 28 shift Objektiv an der M9: Leica, Nikon, vielleicht sogar Olympus? Thank you, AlanG, for that very nice example of software lens correction. Cheers, Manolo I've found that you have to be really rather accurate focusing this lens - it just seems to be more critical when using the shift. Don't try to use the "focus and recompose" technique (just as you shouldn't with a long lens) and always focus before shifting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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