k-hawinkler Posted April 22, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is a very interesting post here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digitalforum/178153-wvil-new-camera.html Apparently: 31 Megapixel sensor built into the lens, communicates wirelessly with slim (camera)body for controls. Detached lens acts as wireless viewfinder for your slim (camera)body. You control zoom, etc. and take photos wirelessly. Behaves like a mobile phone, connected to the Internet. Forum M10 discussions come to my mind! :D:D Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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farnz Posted April 23, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 23, 2011 Thanks for posting the link, K-H. It's an interesting concept with radical features but I'm not sure that I would find it satisfying to use as a camera. It has a very large front element, which suggested a fast lens but the 31 MP sensor may be larger than full frame so the element might need to be large to accommodate the sensor. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 23, 2011 Share #3 Posted April 23, 2011 Wow! That's real? Either way, the videos are amazing. Thanks for the heads-up, K-H! But the name comes across in English as a poor one, the equivalent of z.B. Kornwurm, Kornkäfer, Getreidespitzmäuschen ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 23, 2011 Share #4 Posted April 23, 2011 ... But the name comes across in English as a poor one, the equivalent of z.B. Kornwurm, Kornkäfer, Getreidespitzmäuschen ?? So is the name WVIL (weevil) worse than EVIL? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 23, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 23, 2011 Nothing wrong with something being "eeee-vil." Same sense as "baaaaad" or "phaaat," though the latter is now passé. Do you find the terms equally dissatisfactory? If you had a choice between an "evil" camera and, say, a "cockroach" camera, which would you prefer? I dunno. I guess if we've got Spyders calibrating our screens, we might as well coin the slogan, "You press the button, and watch the weevils work." What do you think of the presenter's "no pictures" warning? A set-up? A failure to notice? Something works strange to me in that moment. Maybe because it's a snapshot of the "real world"? Or because it's shot by a hired weevil? And no brand name or logo except the stylized "A" at the end of the first video. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted April 23, 2011 Howard, Only the inventors know whether it's real or not. It's certainly food for thought. Now that Apple has fundamentally changed the user interface for many popular devices, I would think other folks will adapt that approach to other areas of technology. In (super)computing we went periodically through fundamental changes from one stable architectural state to a completely new one. During these transitions many different ideas and platforms appeared and were tried out in a "Garden of Architectures" - basically a necessary computer science playground - if you wish to call it that. It was fun while it lasted, but eventually very few of the new ideas became dominant and again provided anew a stable architectural computing platform one could accomplish real work on. It seems that right now the entire photography industry is in the midst of such an exciting transition. Only time will tell who the winners eventually are. The market will sort it all out. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 23, 2011 Share #7 Posted April 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Good comparison. The only thing that really bothers me is the "effects" software built in. Somehow, that seems to be putting too much into the camera. On the other hand, as you said, so far it's only a concept. Except for the specs (full-frame, high pixel count), it looks very much the same as the Sony Nex, with a lens that dwarfs the camera body. No question, it's interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted April 23, 2011 Share #8 Posted April 23, 2011 If I would have to bet to something right now, I would say it's phony. Probably someone's graphics artist's project just to come to surface. Something like that in short: Pomegranate | NS08 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 23, 2011 Share #9 Posted April 23, 2011 They have said it's a concept, but judging by the YouTube bids, I'd say it is a working concept. I think it's very interesting. Every so often there is a paradigm shift in the life of a tool and this might just be one. Let's wait for Photokina next year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted April 23, 2011 Share #10 Posted April 23, 2011 That "lens" has to contain: * optical elements for a zoom lens * motors for zooming, focusing, and diaprhagm * zoom and focus rings and the (presumably) electronic coupling to the motors * sensor and its electronics * wireless * battery power for all the above. I don't see how could ever be possible to fit all that into the form factor shown if the sensor is 24x36 and the lens has enough covering power across a typical p&s zoom range. Look at the sizes of real-world full frame zooms - and in particular the distance between the front element and the back of the sensor. Do either of the video clips mention full frame? My guess is it's a small sensor or at most micro-FT. Either way, definitely a concept camera - but a really interesting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 23, 2011 Share #11 Posted April 23, 2011 ... What do you think of the presenter's "no pictures" warning? ... A little pointless considering that he was being videoed at the time. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted April 23, 2011 That "lens" has to contain: * optical elements for a zoom lens * motors for zooming, focusing, and diaprhagm * zoom and focus rings and the (presumably) electronic coupling to the motors * sensor and its electronics * wireless * battery power for all the above. I don't see how could ever be possible to fit all that into the form factor shown if the sensor is 24x36 and the lens has enough covering power across a typical p&s zoom range. Look at the sizes of real-world full frame zooms - and in particular the distance between the front element and the back of the sensor. Do either of the video clips mention full frame? My guess is it's a small sensor or at most micro-FT. Either way, definitely a concept camera - but a really interesting one. The guy in the second video says: "31 Megapixel Full Frame". K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 23, 2011 Share #13 Posted April 23, 2011 Wow! That's real? No, this ‘Käfer’ isn’t for real. Quoting from the website (WVIL - Wireless Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens): “As you’ve most likely figured out, the WVIL camera is not a real product, but a Concept Camera envisioned by Artefact's award-winning design team. It answers the question: “what’s next for camera design?”” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 23, 2011 Share #14 Posted April 23, 2011 They sure put a lot of work into that prototype and the video. I think some of this seems obvious - separating the viewfinder from the camera. In commercial photography, the camera is being separated from the display when shooting tethered. Of course you still have the camera's viewfinder too. Phase One has been putting a lot of work into this. Some photographers who use Capture One are extending this via Capture Pilot to view images wirelessly on an iPhone or iPad. This allows various people on set to watch the shoot in progress. One can also adjust and control Profoto strobes from the computer. And of course with some cameras, live view can be used on a tethered computer for remote composition and live shooting. C1 version 6 lets one run the manufacturers live view software while also running C1 and avoiding tethered conflicts by using a shared hot folder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 23, 2011 Share #15 Posted April 23, 2011 A little pointless considering that he was being videoed at the time. My point exactly. And he walks off to take his phone call without any further involvement with the videographer. Disingenuous? Meaningless? A set-up, as I said above? Definitely peculiar to allow a 1:30 clip to be shot, then announce "no pictures allowed" and then walk off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 23, 2011 Share #16 Posted April 23, 2011 My point exactly. And he walks off to take his phone call without any further involvement with the videographer. Disingenuous? Meaningless? A set-up, as I said above? Definitely peculiar to allow a 1:30 clip to be shot, then announce "no pictures allowed" and then walk off. What's the problem? The company says right on its website that there is no actual product and it is just a demonstration of a concept of what they'd like to see in future cameras. The guy seems to have gotten a private call that he wanted to take and he stopped the demonstration due to it. Who knows why or cares? I'm just amazed at how much effort they put into it if they don't have some kind of plans to capitalize off of this effort. Maybe they are just trying to get noticed for their ideas and design abilities. Maybe they will be able to patent the concept and license it. Likewise, Kodak patented various camera concepts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share #17 Posted April 23, 2011 Well, either they become professional and make a successful product or they vanish. Most new ideas in any concept thingy - whatever the field - don't make it into a product and are successful. But some ideas eventually will succeed. I find the subject entertaining. No harm done knowing about it. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted April 23, 2011 Share #18 Posted April 23, 2011 Well, either they become professional and make a successful product or they vanish. I looked over their website and they seem to design a lot of different things for various companies. They aren't a manufacturer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share #19 Posted April 24, 2011 Thanks. Then design seems to be their product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted April 24, 2011 Share #20 Posted April 24, 2011 Really, personally I fail to see the supposed "new concept". All I can see is, a camera with remote monitor and some sort of iphonish controls. Technology already exists for a remote monitor, so if there is a need for that, camera makers can make it happen already. Besides the obvious impossible miniaturization, everything else already exists, so no new concept there, except a hint of bad design for a camera with lots of stability issues, when you separate it from its monitor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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