hly168 Posted April 8, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I bought the Leica VF for X1. However, I found the picture I took is always a little different from what I saw through the VF. More or less there is deviation from what I exactly like to frame into my pics. I don't like post-processing. How do you guys to deal with this problem? Do I have to crop in Photoshop everytime? To be honest now I am really regret buying that VF, especially with such a high price! It is my problem, or it is unavoidable due to external VF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjh Posted April 8, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 8, 2011 Parallax errors are in the nature of an external viewfinder and thus unavoidable. It takes some practice to anticipate the error as it depends on distance. For exact framing you should use the display instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted April 8, 2011 Share #3 Posted April 8, 2011 Hi, yes as previously said, that’s the nature of the beast”” I ran a few sample pics from a frameline with a central circle drawn on my garage wall, after a little practice it was not too difficult to get it better than just judge””.. Personally I do not mind a little edge cropping (PP)..although both are basic, I either use iPhoto Edit or PSE 6.....I Use this method on both my DL4 & X1........ LR has yet to get my full attention.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted April 8, 2011 Share #4 Posted April 8, 2011 I have the voigtlander viewfinder and pictures show up the way I see them in the viewfinder, but you have to be able to recognize shots where it won't matter if it's off a tad or not. If it's super close-up I just use the LCD screen for perfect composition when needed. The VF is not for shots where it has to be mm by mm perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted April 8, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 8, 2011 .... I don't like post-processing. How do you guys to deal with this problem? Do I have to crop in Photoshop everytime? ...... It does seem a pity that you cannot accept that to get the best out of a digital camera you need to embrace digital processing, at least to some degree. Cropping is one of the simplest operations. An external VF will always see a field of view marginally different to the lens and sensor. It is only at close distances that I revert to using the LCD for improved framing precision. Even that is not 100% perfect but, with practice, you can obtain a close approximation most of the time. In fact not many modern cameras give 100% accurate framing which is an irritant only if you leave your digital images uncorrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted April 8, 2011 Share #6 Posted April 8, 2011 If you don't like post processing take a look at your workflow. Easiest workflow in the world is: Eyefi card to Flickr (these cards geotag and automatically transfer your photos to aperture when you hit your home wifi signal) If you want to touch up or atleast have the opportunity to, and have them personally organized in a library, the easiest is: Eyefi card to Aperture / Lightroom Set presets for your most common or favorite fixes to your photos (vignette, B & W, Contrast, whatever) Click to flickr or order prints. Pretty easy actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted April 8, 2011 Share #7 Posted April 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, ChilLX1..I understood the Poster referred to “not liking PP at all” as opposed to I do not enjoy PP.. I could be wrong! Personally I think PP is part of the digital scenario.. In the D/Room film/negatives were:) framed, enlarged, push processed, spotted etc. etc.. all another version of PP.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hly168 Posted April 9, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted April 9, 2011 It does seem a pity that you cannot accept that to get the best out of a digital camera you need to embrace digital processing, at least to some degree. Cropping is one of the simplest operations. An external VF will always see a field of view marginally different to the lens and sensor. It is only at close distances that I revert to using the LCD for improved framing precision. Even that is not 100% perfect but, with practice, you can obtain a close approximation most of the time. In fact not many modern cameras give 100% accurate framing which is an irritant only if you leave your digital images uncorrected. Sometimes I do crop, I just don't like having to crop everytime. Personally I prefer the pics "original and fresh". Too much digital processing just makes me feel lost. Another question, does Leica DSLR such as M9 also have this kind of view deviation if compose through VF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted April 9, 2011 Share #9 Posted April 9, 2011 The M9 isn't a DSLR, but to answer your question, yes it does. That's in the nature of how optical viewfinders work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
divory Posted April 9, 2011 Share #10 Posted April 9, 2011 As someone whose first Leica was a IIc, one of the delights of the digital age is post processing. I cannot tell you how many hours it took to get a half decent colour print out of the darkroom and how many times I regretted something I had overlooked in the background. Today I marvel every time I get a decent print out of Lightroom and the days of spots, scratches and unwanted telegraph lines are over. Are my images any better? Probably not, but it is so much more enjoyable producing them! David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hly168 Posted April 9, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted April 9, 2011 The M9 isn't a DSLR, but to answer your question, yes it does. That's in the nature of how optical viewfinders work. You are right, my mistake, M9 is not DSLR. I am a little disappointed upon this fact as I am thinking to get a M9 for my next toy. ：－） Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted April 9, 2011 Share #12 Posted April 9, 2011 The Ms do their best with the automatic parallax correction, but they can never be totally accurate because the framelines themselves aren't accurate over all distances, and the viewfinder is in a different plane from the lens/sensor. A rangefinder is not suitable if absolute accuracy is a requirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted April 9, 2011 Share #13 Posted April 9, 2011 A Hoodman lens could be your solution. Does the X1 have a video exit? If yes, you could look for a second portable LCD screen. An electronic viewfinder too, but then you have to wait for a future X1. Optical viewfinders are relicts of the past. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jippiejee Posted April 10, 2011 Share #14 Posted April 10, 2011 I have no ethical objections to cropping, it could be done in the darkroom as well. Part of the fun of the large sensor on the X1 is knowing it'll leave you space for cropping without much quality degradation. Not having a zoom is a lot less problematic then. Short answer: yes I use the external viewfinder for basic composition in sunlight scenes, and am prepared to crop it to my liking later, mostly in lightroom or photoshop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share #15 Posted April 10, 2011 I don't understand where the significant deviation is. What are you shooting that poses such a need for cropping? Even at 30cm the dotted lines on my Voigt VF are pretty accurate. If the scene demands precision framing I use the LCD. I really don't get what the problem is. I have no objection to cropping, but hardly ever need to- and when I do the VF isn't the reason, more like a thoughtless composition I'm trying to rescue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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