tbullock Posted April 8, 2011 Share #1 Posted April 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone had any luck backing up S2 photos to an iPad using the camera kit? I managed to get one session downloaded by putting the camera in "Mass Storage" USB mode, but at first it didn't work - the ipad would flash an error message every few seconds saying the attacehd device wasn't compatible. Then suddenly a few minutes later the import window popped up and it very slowly imported photos for me. Since then no luck - haven't been able to get anything transferred. This is an iPad v1 btw. I can wait for one of these but just curious if anyone else has had more success. Travis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mwilliamsphotography Posted April 8, 2011 Share #2 Posted April 8, 2011 I wonder if one of these would help: HyperShop - The Official Online Store for HyperMac + HyperDrive -Marc Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/148497-ipad-and-s2/?do=findComment&comment=1639515'>More sharing options...
Constable Posted April 8, 2011 Share #3 Posted April 8, 2011 That's what I use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbullock Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted April 8, 2011 Thanks Marc, that looks interesting for longer trips - I'll have to look into it. The only thing I noticed is that you can only transfer 40GB of data per charge. Does that make sense? I guess if you're transferring you're likely to be able to charge it anyway. In the meantime, it seems that the second time's the charm for iPad compatibility. Picked up an iPad 2 last night and plugging the camera in directly lets me import photos reliably. The only issue is that I have to shoot in RAW+jpeg. For short trips this should be fine as 64GB should hold around 1200 images. And the whole kit with iPad fits snugly in the ThinkTank retrospective...as long as I don't add too many lenses, which given the supply constraints hasn't been a problem! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted April 10, 2011 Share #5 Posted April 10, 2011 Additional internal batteries are $10. each, and the external charger is $15. The 4 AA battery pack case for it is only $10 if you want to use your own batteries. If these were from Leica they'd be $300 ... LOL! The HyperDrive ColorSpace UDMA (750 gig version) is probably what I'd get to have the option of on-site transfer/review in the field without the iPad (it's only 2.95" X 5.25" X 1" for pocket carrying) ... but still compatible with the iPad. That one allows 250 Gig transfer per charge. -Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tag62 Posted April 29, 2011 Share #6 Posted April 29, 2011 Hi. I have a question or two I have an s2 and Ipad 2. I can download the images from the camera to the ipad but when I take the 16gb compac flash card out and try to down load via a card reader it says "The device requires too much power" it works fine with a SD card bt not the Compac Flash card. Any suggestion? 2) I am shooting DNG and Jpeg. once I down load to the ipad...how can I later find the DNG files to then transfer to the computer? Many Thanks for any help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbullock Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted April 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) See the link in my first post - there's a low-voltage card reader that will work but isn't (or wasn't at the time) shipping in high volume. You can also use the Leica USB cable to attach the camera directly to the camera kit and download the files if you set the camera to "Mass Storage" USB mode. That gets the images onto the iPad. The problem is then getting them to a computer. That doesn't seem to work for compressed DNG files using iPhoto import - it'll just grab the jpegs. It might work for non-compressed but I haven't tried. As a last resort you can also try the "Photo Transfer App" for iPad that will let you download the images from a web browser on your computer. I'm again having trouble with compressed DNG and batch downloads using the app, but it works for individual files and I'm working with the app developer to figure what's not working right. Hope that helps, Travis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tag62 Posted April 29, 2011 Share #8 Posted April 29, 2011 Thank you Travis. Yes, it does seem to work fine via the S2 USB cable, however only if I shoot DNG and some form of jpeg. The trouble now as you say is getting them from an Ipad 2 to a computer...I have been shooting in uncompressed and it doesnt seem to work( getting it to my computer)...If you find anything please let me know. I will do so likewise. Thank you for the response Tag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMacD Posted April 29, 2011 Share #9 Posted April 29, 2011 The question was backing up an S2 to an iPad. For me there is not enough memory on my iPad to consider it a backup. Great for displaying a finished album. My cards are 64 gig. I am waiting for the thunderbolt version of a MacBook air to come out in June. More expensive than an iPad, but 8% of the cost of the S2. That will give me S2 tethering plus manipulation, and super fast download to an external drive. I hope the S3 has a thunderbolt connection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petster Posted May 7, 2011 Share #10 Posted May 7, 2011 I have learned when shooting in dng that the Hyperdrive for Ipad isn't capable of processing the S2 files. That means you could store and backup your files on the hyperdrive but what you see on the display is a very pixelated version of the file. No zoom-in is possible. I have asked the guys from Hyperdrive if there are going to support the dng files but did not get an answer so far. Pretty sad. But on top of this I learned when transfering the files to the ipad that the problem still remain the same. On the Ipad you see the same pixaleted image but now even bigger. Which is kind of ugly. I tried to connect the S2 via the Ipad camera connector to the Ipad, but that doesn't work as well. The Ipad did not recognized the S2 as a camera. (I do switched before to Mass Storage on the S2.) So the big question is, am I stupid or do I own a camera the folk out there isn't supporting? Please, delight me! Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 7, 2011 Share #11 Posted May 7, 2011 I had some correspondence with Adobe last year when they were asking CS5 users what they would like for PS Lite on the iPad. My request was to be able to view native DNG files, so that I did not have to take DNG and JPEG to be able to view my images from the cards, after loading onto the iPad for quick and dirty sorting. The answer I got back was that there were technical reasons why this was next to impossible and was very unlikely ever to be implemented. I asked what they were (this was on a semi public forum) but got no response. There is limited good news however. Someone (Sandy McGuffog) seems to have found it less impossible than Adobe and there is an app called PhotoRaw which will sort of enable viewing of DNG files. You will need to check whether this will support files as big as the S2 but it certainly works for M9 DNG's. It is really a converter which produces a JPEG in the iPad, so that the images can be seen in the iPad. Not all the way there yet but an improvement on what has been available to date. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petster Posted May 7, 2011 Share #12 Posted May 7, 2011 That is in general bad news. "Next to impossible" sounds to me we are not capable... and a usual developer answer as long as someone comes along and just do it. The PhotoRaw app even work with the huge S2 files, but man you do need a lot of time to wait until ONE picture is imported. So it works but is more or less not worth the time. I guess the solution for the S2 is to shoot in DNG & JPG and store the files simultanously. This way you can backup the dng files on the Hyperdrive from you cf card and if you would like to take a closer look load the jpgs from the sd card to the ipad or to the Hyperdrive as well. Could be better but it looks like we have to wait until a clever guy at adobe is comes along. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 7, 2011 Share #13 Posted May 7, 2011 There is limited good news however. Someone (Sandy McGuffog) seems to have found it less impossible than Adobe and there is an app called PhotoRaw which will sort of enable viewing of DNG files The problem I have with PhotoRaw is that of speed. I tried the lite version and it takes around two and a half minutes to preview an M8 file on an iPad 1. Lord knows how long an S2 file would take. While I commend Sandy for getting his software to run in the first place, it isn't a practical solution - for me at least. I suspect that was what was behind Adobe's answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 7, 2011 Share #14 Posted May 7, 2011 PhotoRaw is also a bit battery hungry on my iPad 1. I left it churning away on 200+ M9 pics, while I went out for dinner. I think the iPad had a reasonable amount of battery when I started. When I came back about 4 hours later it was dead, with an empty battery and had only done about 100 pics. The iPad 2 might be better bet with a 2 x faster processor. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted May 7, 2011 Share #15 Posted May 7, 2011 PhotoRaw will typically be quite a bit quicker on an iPad 2 with large files such as from the S2. Less because of the CPU than because the iPad 2 has twice as much memory, so PhotoRaw won't have to page data out to disk all the time. Wilson, very impressed with the 200+ images - not that PhotoRaw can't handle that many, but most people use PhotoRaw to look at relatively few specific images. Regards, Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbullock Posted May 7, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted May 7, 2011 I have learned when shooting in dng that the Hyperdrive for Ipad isn't capable of processing the S2 files. That means you could store and backup your files on the hyperdrive but what you see on the display is a very pixelated version of the file. No zoom-in is possible. I have asked the guys from Hyperdrive if there are going to support the dng files but did not get an answer so far. Pretty sad. But on top of this I learned when transfering the files to the ipad that the problem still remain the same. On the Ipad you see the same pixaleted image but now even bigger. Which is kind of ugly. I tried to connect the S2 via the Ipad camera connector to the Ipad, but that doesn't work as well. The Ipad did not recognized the S2 as a camera. (I do switched before to Mass Storage on the S2.) So the big question is, am I stupid or do I own a camera the folk out there isn't supporting? Please, delight me! Pete Are you using an iPad 1 or 2? My iPad 1 didn't consistently recognize the S2 but the iPad 2 does. If you shoot DNG+JPEG the iPad will display the jpeg when browsing. Then, when importing to iPhoto, you *should* see two copies of each image. The first is the DNG and the second is the JPEG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petster Posted May 7, 2011 Share #17 Posted May 7, 2011 Are you using an iPad 1 or 2? My iPad 1 didn't consistently recognize the S2 but the iPad 2 does. If you shoot DNG+JPEG the iPad will display the jpeg when browsing. Then, when importing to iPhoto, you *should* see two copies of each image. The first is the DNG and the second is the JPEG. Ipad 1. - Thanks for the info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 7, 2011 Share #18 Posted May 7, 2011 PhotoRaw will typically be quite a bit quicker on an iPad 2 with large files such as from the S2. Less because of the CPU than because the iPad 2 has twice as much memory, so PhotoRaw won't have to page data out to disk all the time. Wilson, very impressed with the 200+ images - not that PhotoRaw can't handle that many, but most people use PhotoRaw to look at relatively few specific images. Regards, Sandy Sandy, It was after a bit of finger trouble on my part. I had forgotten to switch back my M9 back from DNG only to DNG and JPEG and the only viewing device I had with me was my iPad. I had to charge it up again to finish but as you say, it worked in the end. Meant I could sort the chuckers and keepers. I will probably upgrade to an iPad 3 if Apple puts a retina display in it. Reading magazine A4 pages is at the limit of resolution of the current iPad screen, especially white writing on a black background, where you really have to zoom to see it. According to the rumours I have read, the iPad 3 screen will be 2048 x 1536, 3D, OLED, do the washing up, mow your lawn, etc etc. On a more serious note, you think Adobe are correct and that a native DNG viewer without converting is not technically possible? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandymc Posted May 8, 2011 Share #19 Posted May 8, 2011 On a more serious note, you think Adobe are correct and that a native DNG viewer without converting is not technically possible? Wilson Well, I think its a matter of performance versus features. Let's face it, PhotoRaw is pretty slow on import, to the point that a fair number of people find it unusable. And PhotoRaw doesn't have a whole lot of features that ACR or Lightroom have - e.g., camera profiles, the kind of noise reduction that LR3 has, etc, etc So to implement an equivalent of ACR or Lightroom on an iPad - I don't think you could get performance that was acceptable without stripping the product down to a similar level to PhotoRaw. But I think their main issue would be commercial. Adobe would have to implement an entirely new raw processing pipeline with a lot less functionality than their existing one, for a relatively small market, in a world where a $10 app is considered very expensive. And they have huge overheads. LR sells for $300, Photoshop for a lot more. Unless they decide that strategically they have to have a product even if they lose money on it, I don't think we'll see one. But who knows, there might be an Adobe team feverishly beavering away right now. Regards, Sandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 8, 2011 Share #20 Posted May 8, 2011 Sandy, For me I don't want to do anything on an iPad other than check general composition and lighting. I think trying to do photo-maniplulation and/or correction on the non-calbrated screen by poking around with your finger tip, just doesn't make sense. I don't even like using a mouse and on my iMac, I use a small Intuos 4 pad and stylus. Once you get the hang of using the buttons on the pad and configure them to your liking, it speeds up use of CS5/C1 a whole lot, particularly for limited area alterations with brushes. However, what I would like but I suspect it is a very faint hope is tethering and remote control via the USB cable for the M9 to an iPad screen. I don't know if the S2 has remote control and tethering via the USB/firewire cable. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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