Allnm Posted February 23, 2011 Share #401 Â Posted February 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nothing wrong with off the topic........ well film is pertinent to leica discussions an many buy a leica for the "leica look" and that stems from the tradition of how a leica lens renders film. Remember the so called leica look that is so important came before digital.............. Â I agree, nothing wrong with off topic as long as the thread seems to stick at least loosley to the original subject. But this thread entitled "My Experience with X1 Firmware 2.0" now has nothing to do with Firmware 2 since the OP had a look at a pre production release that hasnt yet been announced. There are valuable discussions on here that will be unread by most people because they are hidden in this thread without their own titles. Â I'm not knocking anyone for their contributions here, most of them make interesting, if sometimes frustrating reading, my point is that there are better places to discuss some of these items so that they can be read and contributed to by a far greater number of people, maybe growing the X1 discussion threads. Â Or we could amend the name to "My Experience with X1 Firmware 2.0 and general X1 issues" but that seems to go against the point of having a specific X1 forum. Â Dont get me wrong, I enjoy reading this thread, most of the time, but I worry that its becoming purely a general discussion thread when there are better places to post . Â ( sits back and wait for the torrent of abuse........ .) Â Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Hi Allnm, Take a look here X1 Firmware v2 Upgrade [Merged thread]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest stnami Posted February 23, 2011 Share #402 Â Posted February 23, 2011 Easy use your ignore button on all who post out of like ........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted February 23, 2011 Share #403 Â Posted February 23, 2011 Easy use your ignore button on all who post out of like ........... Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted February 23, 2011 Share #404 Â Posted February 23, 2011 I don't know. What if this rolling thread is the only thing salvageable on some fractured hard drive discovered by archaeologists or anthropologists hundreds of years from now? These ramblings might end up on the shelves next to Beowulf. Â Besides, if we ramble too far off topic, we might even find the cure for cancer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted February 23, 2011 Share #405 Â Posted February 23, 2011 X1 became generally available 14 months ago. This thead started three months ago. It's little wonder the thread meanders so much. Leica seem incapable of moving as fast as a dead slug, unlike some other manufacturers with their firmware updates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeTexas Posted February 23, 2011 Share #406 Â Posted February 23, 2011 I agree that they are being incredibly slow with it, but most rushed firmware with multiple updates is to fix huge problems that are causing cameras not to focus at all or to randomly erase their memory cards -- things like that. Â While it would be nice if there was a faster auto focus, a hyperfocal mode, and that the auto aperture wouldn't click around like crazy in sunlight, the X1 hasn't needed an emergency update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted February 23, 2011 Share #407 Â Posted February 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess Leica knows that in the end, if we bought one of their cameras (both in terms of saving for it and waiting years for each new model), their customers understand that good things are worth waiting for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted February 23, 2011 Share #408 Â Posted February 23, 2011 X1 became generally available 14 months ago. This thead started three months ago. It's little wonder the thread meanders so much. Leica seem incapable of moving as fast as a dead slug, unlike some other manufacturers with their firmware updates. Â Ah, back on topic......... Â Â Â Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted February 23, 2011 Share #409 Â Posted February 23, 2011 What intrigues me is that in one issue of LFI magazine last year, a Leica employee (perhaps an engineer) clearly mentions in a interview that it was not possible to improve further the AF speed via firmware because the sensor was not designed for contrast detection AF, but for phase detection only. So it was a hardware related issue, not a software one. In the case of the FW update rumors becoming true, it seems that Leica didn't know what they were talking about at that time. Perhaps the X1 was released to the public while still in beta phase. Â This can't be right. First, the X1 is contrast detection. Second, DSLR's use the same sensor with phase detection, so it's not the sensor. Â Imagine the X1 with DSLR speed. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted February 23, 2011 Share #410 Â Posted February 23, 2011 I do recall reading Leica's higher-ups saying that the X1's focus speed cannot be improved with firmware updates... .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 23, 2011 Share #411 Â Posted February 23, 2011 No they didn't. It was 'member experts' who pontificated that. Â This is the problem with playing 'telephone' Â There are other cameras that use a derivative of the same sensor which are faster. We'll see a speed increase I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted February 23, 2011 Share #412  Posted February 23, 2011 I agree that they are being incredibly slow with it, but most rushed firmware with multiple updates is to fix huge problems that are causing cameras not to focus at all or to randomly erase their memory cards -- things like that.  This is nonsense. from my experience Olympus (not the most 'together' company), reacted twice to complaints about focussing issues within 7 or 8 months, the second one making reasonable improvements, and threw in a few firmware 'goodies' while they were at it. Sony with the Nex updated firmware within 6 months to make manual focussing more palateable, add programmable buttons and update aspects of menu accessability. Leica - nada, typical arrogance.  While it would be nice if there was a faster auto focus, a hyperfocal mode, and that the auto aperture wouldn't click around like crazy in sunlight, the X1 hasn't needed an emergency update  Some users might disagree with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted February 24, 2011 Share #413 Â Posted February 24, 2011 I do not see how it can be attributed to arrogance. I work with german engineering firms and find them with too many holidays, compared to here in Asia. Generally Asians work much harder, not that it is right or wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost. Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share #414 Â Posted March 17, 2011 In response to my inquiry to the firmware release on March 13th. Â Unfortunately we don't get advance word from the factory on release dates for upgrades. Now is about the time we would expect to see an announcement for new X1 firmware. Of course any delay indicates that the factory either is not completely satisfied or has decided to add more changes. Â Â Best regards, Mark Brady Leica Camera Inc. / Technical Advisor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted March 17, 2011 Share #415 Â Posted March 17, 2011 We will see if my conspiracy theory was correct. I still don't expect a firmware for the x1 until the x100 is widely available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tok Posted March 17, 2011 Share #416 Â Posted March 17, 2011 not 18 march???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelekim Posted March 17, 2011 Share #417 Â Posted March 17, 2011 Hope it's going to be great as we're waiting too long. So long that many X1 users and potential X1 buyers are already turning towards X100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted March 17, 2011 Share #418 Â Posted March 17, 2011 ........many X1 users and potential X1 buyers are already turning towards X100. They will be back! Â Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsan Posted March 17, 2011 Share #419 Â Posted March 17, 2011 I will not buy the X100 because probably half a year after i bought it i need to sell cause the X2 arrives But maybe i keep the X1 cause the size is so nice, i always wanted best IQ in the smallest case, i feel the X2 will be like the X100 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted March 17, 2011 Share #420 Â Posted March 17, 2011 Assuming the x2 doesn't get full frame, the only way I'd consider one is at a diff focal length. Not sure I see tht happening. Wnder what they ARE considering for x2. Maybe a 1.3 crop or ff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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