Why X1 with Leica?

[patrick parker]

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I did read it, twice. It doesn't make sense.

 

Perhaps you should try to write more concisely and cut the waffle. Get your point across clearly to your audience. Your rambling above makes as much sense as a George Bush speech!

 

read it again , if you still don't get it. read it with a friend who knows about these things.

 

George w.

[stunsworth]

But the point I'm trying to make is it doesn't matter if it's different because it's good for somebody else's type of shooting. What matters is X1 should be noticed as a camera that looks like a leica but carries none of the genes. because it doesn't function like one.

 

I've read this several times, and I still haven't got a clue what it means.

[patrick parker]

I've read this several times, and I still haven't got a clue what it means.

 

ok you can stop reading. but that other guy has potential. he should read it again.

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... that other guy has potential. he should read it again.

 

I don't think George Bush read it even once.

 

Edit: BTW, what on earth do you mean by "... would be causing generations of damage. Leica deserves more". Haven't they suffered enough damage in recent years?

[ezc203]

What's not Leica about the X1? Superior image quality, great handling (shutter/aperture dials), compact form, hmm... dare I even say, the legendary Red Dot. BUILD QUALITY (I've dropped mine a couple of times from 4 - 6 ft and it showed no mechanical damage).Simplicity (both menu and imaging).

 

To be completely frank, the only short-coming of the X1 is its auto-focusing speed and haters/trolls have really zoned in on it. And correctly so, the X1's AF is just a tad too slow to be used effectively.

 

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Also, you seemed to mention some of Leica's BEST cameras as ones you dislike. Which totally destroys the validity of your opinion to most readers.

 

R8? R9? - Ask anyone of the 1000s of religious R shooters on this forum, they will tell you what a leap forward those cameras are in the SLR world. In terms of "bulky" have you ever used one extensively? The form factor is its greatest advantage - fits in the hand perfectly.

 

M7? MP? - HA, I don't even know what to tell you if you don't consider them to be quintessentially Leica. M7 (with a motor or Leicavit) is probably the BEST film camera out there for photo-journalism. If I even get the pleasure to work another Fashion Week in NY, guess what camera I'll invest in? And as for the MP? It's an homage to tradition, a "step back" in some ways, yes, but it was an alternative to the M7.

 

And of course, shit on the M8 - the first Leica digital rangefinder; an iconic step in the M line for Leica. But sure... It's probably trash.

 

So this makes me ask.... Which Leica camera do you actually like/agree/approve?

[patrick parker]

What's not Leica about the X1? Superior image quality, great handling (shutter/aperture dials), compact form, hmm... dare I even say, the legendary Red Dot. BUILD QUALITY (I've dropped mine a couple of times from 4 - 6 ft and it showed no mechanical damage).Simplicity (both menu and imaging).

 

To be completely frank, the only short-coming of the X1 is its auto-focusing speed and haters/trolls have really zoned in on it. And correctly so, the X1's AF is just a tad too slow to be used effectively.

 

-

 

Also, you seemed to mention some of Leica's BEST cameras as ones you dislike. Which totally destroys the validity of your opinion to most readers.

 

R8? R9? - Ask anyone of the 1000s of religious R shooters on this forum, they will tell you what a leap forward those cameras are in the SLR world. In terms of "bulky" have you ever used one extensively? The form factor is its greatest advantage - fits in the hand perfectly.

 

M7? MP? - HA, I don't even know what to tell you if you don't consider them to be quintessentially Leica. M7 (with a motor or Leicavit) is probably the BEST film camera out there for photo-journalism. If I even get the pleasure to work another Fashion Week in NY, guess what camera I'll invest in? And as for the MP? It's an homage to tradition, a "step back" in some ways, yes, but it was an alternative to the M7.

 

And of course, shit on the M8 - the first Leica digital rangefinder; an iconic step in the M line for Leica. But sure... It's probably trash.

 

So this makes me ask.... Which Leica camera do you actually like/agree/approve?

 

As I said what didn't work for me about those cameras worked for other photographers, all

 

summed up into one. It's incredible that you have all the qualities of those other

 

photographers. I really didn't mean to "shit" on any product you found especially dear and

 

close to your heart. From what I gather you are a typical Leica fan. Which is a good thing

 

if you had to be a fan of a camera company. It would be better though if you were an

 

observer, it's a different type of obsession.Yes as an observer you wouldn't be as excited

 

each time a new product comes out and wouldn't be delirious when you purchase one

 

but it is rewarding in it's own way. How can I argue with you if you think M7 is the best film

 

camera out there for photojournalism. "the legendary red dot" is one of your arguments. I

 

wouldn't know where to start from. This is your personal choice, "your best". You are the

 

man I was talking about when I mentioned love of leica. People who "love" leicas are

 

are damaging it. Leica makes cameras for professional use but not for professionals,

 

amateurs buy them because they are made for professionals. This way everybody's happy

 

pros have a camera they can use, leica fans have a camera they can buy and both pros

 

and leica can go on working. This I can not have nothing against, because that's just the

 

way things go. What I find dangerous for leica's future is this game of disguising a camera

 

as professional equipment while aiming for the amateur market. As a member of this

 

forum many of us like you talk about the good sides of this camera, which is obviously the

 

image quality. It's great. It's wonderful. It's like M9. It's like M9 but it's not an M9.

 

M9 did not come with so many drawbacks, we talked about what they are maybe a million

 

times on this forum. What makes a good camera goes beyond image quality, you can only

 

learn this by shooting with other cameras, by having choices. The X1 you are holding in

 

your hand. Stop touching there and hold your X1. Thank you. Is disguised as a fast

 

camera in fact it is not a fast camera, it is a sloooow camera. When it looks like it should

 

be handled by a pro and no pro would use it, that is a different game leica is getting into.

 

It needs no praise.

[stunsworth]

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Most 'professional' cameras are used by amateurs. None of this thread is making sense. Maybe it will in the morning.

 

Night

[patrick parker]

good night, don't let the firmware bugs bite.

[prk60091]

Most 'professional' cameras are used by amateurs. None of this thread is making sense. Maybe it will in the morning.

 

Night

 

It will never make sense . . . Just a troll having his/her fun

[AlanJW]

I read the original post and the more recent explanation and I still don't quite understand the point. It is so fuzzy it is hard to follow. Frankly, I don't think it is me.

 

How's this for an alternative: "I like Leicas in general because of high image quality but do not like every feature of every Leica and nobody can or should say that Leica is above criticism. The X1 is my least favorite even though it produces high quality images because it is too cute and because it has features that to me make it un-Leica like, like autofocus and flash and a viewscreen for composing". Is that what he was trying to say?

[spylaw4]

Seems to me that pp is another name for X1S

[tmldds]

Sounds like Congress is in session... I am new to Leica products, but have learned to love them for their heritage, solid build quality, resale value, smaller size than DSLR. etc. My initial feeling holding a Leica is similar to how I felt wearing my first Rolex, or driving my first Mercedes. It may not be the "best" photographic tool, but it sure feels like one, and that is enough for me.

 

Cheers,

 

Tri:)

[h00ligan]

The added double space was extra special.

[phancj]

But the point I'm trying to make is it doesn't matter if it's different because it's good for somebody else's type of shooting. What matters is X1 should be noticed as a camera that looks like a leica but carries none of the genes. because it doesn't function like one.

 

what I said wasn't really about cameras, it was about forum members behaving as

 

irresponsible consumers.

 

I like to be irresponsible if it means buying a camera that gives me great images.

 

I've read this several times, and I still haven't got a clue what it means.

 

Dont bother even. I read it one tine and realized immediately the lack of sanity or cohesive thought in that one.

 

 

Guys, IMO we should all put patrick on the ignore list...

 

and Patrick, maybe you havent considered that it may be the photographer not the camera since no camera is perfect. The X1 is my first leica and it is great, for that focal length I dare say 100% that it is better in so many ways compared to my dslr, but YMMV. I have taken my best photos with this overpriced, slow and useless camera, thank you.

 

What I cannot understand is why you continue to be here gathering animosity with your IMO silly posts (that is to put it mildly). Either you are masochistic or have an axe to grind coz someone in leica X1 division stole your wife/gf I have no idea, and do not care either. What I think is you have clearly issues that needs resolving, and advise you in good faith to seek professional help. We have no psychiatrists here and even if we do there are clear liability issues with dishing out the kind of help you need. Really.

 

Take care and wishing you a speedy recovery. I may post a red dot to you, a big one to wish you well.

[davidhunternyc]

Guys, we are all different, and I believe that we need to accept where people are rather than wish them to be in accordance with our own beliefs. I read the opening post and I respect your opinion about the X1. I own the X1 and I really like it. Do I love it? No. I don't love it for most of the reasons most people don't love it; no integrated viewfinder, slow shutter response, and for me, rather average ISO sensitivity and it has a rather cheap feeling build quality, that is, for a Leica. I expect more out of Leica. Like I said though, I really like this camera. I have made prints with the Epson 7900 printer and I am astonished by the printed image quality of the X1. I am hoping that the Fuji X100 will match the X1's printed image quality without none of the X1's drawbacks. I have a feeling though that the Fuji (being a Japanese camera) will have too many menus and electronic bells and whistles, which to me, is like scratching on a chalkboard.

[elbonedeedo]

What matters is X1 should be noticed as a camera that looks like a leica but carries none of the genes. because it doesn't function like one.

 

So God forbid Leica should step outside the box and bring a new concept to market? Yeah, that's innovation. By that notion, we should all still be driving Model T Fords and using outhouses....

[Allnm]

It won’t come as surprise but I don’t like Leica X1...... ...

 

On the other hand I like Leica. .......

 

I own an X1 , It produces images better than it’s competitors because It’s a Leica.........

 

Then there was some weird comment in there about not liking the X1 because you like Leica..........!

 

Well, apart from all the rubbish in the middle, these few lines made me think.

 

So, I thought, and I still have no idea if you like the camera or not or what you are trying to say.

 

If I read it right, I would say that basically, you dont like ( or you do like) the X1 but dislike anyone who does like it or any cameras manufacturer that doesnt make a camera that exactly fits your requirements.

 

No, just read it again, still makes no sense. Had you been drinking?

 

Allan

[Photoskeptic]

Yep, the drinking response makes the most sense.

[patrick parker]

I like to be irresponsible if it means buying a camera that gives me great images.

 

 

 

Dont bother even. I read it one tine and realized immediately the lack of sanity or cohesive thought in that one.

 

 

Guys, IMO we should all put patrick on the ignore list...

 

and Patrick, maybe you havent considered that it may be the photographer not the camera since no camera is perfect. The X1 is my first leica and it is great, for that focal length I dare say 100% that it is better in so many ways compared to my dslr, but YMMV. I have taken my best photos with this overpriced, slow and useless camera, thank you.

 

What I cannot understand is why you continue to be here gathering animosity with your IMO silly posts (that is to put it mildly). Either you are masochistic or have an axe to grind coz someone in leica X1 division stole your wife/gf I have no idea, and do not care either. What I think is you have clearly issues that needs resolving, and advise you in good faith to seek professional help. We have no psychiatrists here and even if we do there are clear liability issues with dishing out the kind of help you need. Really.

 

Take care and wishing you a speedy recovery. I may post a red dot to you, a big one to wish you well.

 

Dear Phancj,

 

I'm not asking you to stop loving your X1. I can understand love between a man and an object especially if the object has a practical use and satisfies you in what it does.

You said it's your first leica and that's special, so it's normal that you are being over protective.

 

My post wasn't really about the shortcomings of X1 but the new direction Leica company seemed to be taking with the introduction of this specific camera. I also wanted to mention that some of the consumers were being too emotional when it comes to criticism. I think you have proved my point with your aggressive behavior.

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[Ecaton]

Dear Phancj,

 

I'm not asking you to stop loving your X1. I can understand love between a man and an object especially if the object has a practical use and satisfies you in what it does.

You said it's your first leica and that's special, so it's normal that you are being over protective.

 

My post wasn't really about the shortcomings of X1 but the new direction Leica company seemed to be taking with the introduction of this specific camera. I also wanted to mention that some of the consumers were being too emotional when it comes to criticism. I think you have proved my point with your aggressive behavior.

 

As posted earlier, the X1's features trigger nurturing responses in adults. Thus the emotional overprotective attitude of some in the X1 threads (seems they all are of he same gender, go figure;)). What one loves is beyond criticism.