phancj Posted March 14, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted March 14, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just visited Peter lueck's site again: Â Leica X1 Â This was the site that convinced me that the X1 is capable of exceptional IQ, but now Peter has came out with his interpretation for an X1 with a VF. I do not need a VF in a compact but his design is IMO nice. Guess the X2 may have a VF...... Â Whats even more inspiring is looking at photos the guy takes with the X1, simply astounding! Â CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 Hi phancj, Take a look here Peter Lueck and the concept X1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
robert blu Posted March 14, 2011 Share #2 Â Posted March 14, 2011 Me too ! As for you one of the factors who convinced me to go for the x1 (only digital camera in our family) was the Peter Lueck site. Even if I'm not (yet?) able to take pictures so good I'm more than happy to use it and satisfied with actual results. Thanks for reminding Peter's site and thanks to Peter for the inspiration he's giving with his pictures. As for the "integrated" VF I'm not so interested, I already use the external one and I'm not planning to buy one moret camera ! robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share #3 Â Posted March 14, 2011 Robert, Â I didnt get the VF and have taken many keepers without. Gotta keep the camera small so I'll bring it. I do hope they come out with an even smaller X down the road! Â CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertc Posted March 14, 2011 Share #4 Â Posted March 14, 2011 I agree he has done wonderful things with the X1 but I do note that he has now sold his X1 and has an M9 as a favourite snapper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted March 14, 2011 Share #5 Â Posted March 14, 2011 Personally I think that it can be used without VF, but it is me, who after more than 40 years taking pictures looking through a VF is not able to do it with thew LCD screen ! Just my fault! But with the external VF it is excellent! I have been considering an m9 as well but for my taste (again personal) it is too big for a carry always with you camera. I prefer to go with M7 for my more serious projects and the x1 as everyday camera or when I need digital. robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted March 14, 2011 Share #6 Â Posted March 14, 2011 would appear that fuji checked this blog out when they designed the X100!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted March 14, 2011 Share #7 Â Posted March 14, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) would appear that fuji checked this blog out when they designed the X100!! Â Well, lifelike mockups of the X100 were already in existence so more like the other way around. Â At least Fuji put the aperture dial and focus ring on the lens which for me is more sensible.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share #8  Posted March 15, 2011 Personally I think that it can be used without VF, but it is me, who after more than 40 years taking pictures looking through a VF is not able to do it with thew LCD screen ! Just my fault! But with the external VF it is excellent!I have been considering an m9 as well but for my taste (again personal) it is too big for a carry always with you camera. I prefer to go with M7 for my more serious projects and the x1 as everyday camera or when I need digital. robert  Robert,  I must admit using the LCD does kinda make some think that you're are not an experienced shooter coz the general mindset is pros use only VF, which is also almost always true.  I find that acting like you are a total novice and using a tiny camera that seems innocuous like the X1 opens more possibilities for taking street portraits of strangers. With the X1 most if not all always say yes to me taking their photos, and the photos look more natural and less "posed". With the DSLR or a larger camera they sometimes have reservations to agreeing or worse still are offended when you point that massive thing at them. Also, I find that with bigger cameras the subjects feel the need to pose and look good, which often destroy the photo coz they look so stiff. The M9 is midway in size but it does look very professional so I am not sure if I can get away with as many portraits of strangers as I do with the X1. The AF in the X1 is a big help too in this regard.  I do not have a second thought of looking like a zombie as long as I get the shots. In fact, I normally look like I do not know what I am doing so that people will be more candid and open to being photographed.  CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafleming3 Posted March 15, 2011 Share #9 Â Posted March 15, 2011 CJ: Â IMHO, a viewfinder is a must in bright daylight. The image on the screen is washed out and simply not visible. Framing is purely guesswork without the OVF. Agree, it does at to size and weight, but how do you get around it? I use the OVF only when I need it, though. Â cheers, Â john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share #10 Â Posted March 15, 2011 John, Â I live in Singapore smack on the equator with bright sun and have no problem making out the scene on the LCD when composing. You are right, colors are all washed out but the outlines are visible. I also shoot many photos in India where summer temperature is 43 degrees celsius and sun is blazing hot, again, no problems. There were distinctly 2 occasions when a VF may be needed in my over one year of shooting with the X1 (the X1 was held up high and at an angle) but what I did was hold the camera in one hand and shield the LCD from the sun and took the shot. The hand used to shield the LCD can still be used to stabilize the camera (thumb at bottom) so absolutely no probs. My wrist strap is at an optimal length so it also add stability to the grip when taut(so no need for the leica grip either haha) Â I sincerely believe that one can use the X1 without the VF at all in all circumstances. Just need to adapt and get used to it. THe X1 is small and light so holding it in any way is secure and not strenuous. Â But yes, I look like a total amateur often not that I care! Â CJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 16, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted March 16, 2011 He's copied my design for the X1.2 !!!!! Any copyright lawyers in the house? Â http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/97989-leaked-x1-2-images.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbonedeedo Posted March 16, 2011 Share #12  Posted March 16, 2011 He's copied my design for the X1.2 !!!!! Any copyright lawyers in the house? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/97989-leaked-x1-2-images.html  Hmmm, I think not (that he copied your design). Flash and view finder in completely different places, not a huge 'step' between the dials and viewfinder flash area, etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #13 Â Posted March 18, 2011 I don't understand. I don't want the X1 to be a rangefinder. I like it just the way it is design - wise. Â This all reminds me of literary criticism. It's expected that you criticize an author on whether they achieve what they set out to do or not, but criticizing an author for not writing about something else is totally unfair. Â The X1 is to the Rangefinder what the Leica Standard was to the M3. You can't shoot form the hip on an M3 or M9. You can on an X1 / Standard. It's a different camera. Take it or leave it. Â I've decided to keep mine and I'm buying an M2. Just got the 50mm collapsible Summicron. Â They should compliment each other nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted March 18, 2011 Share #14 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Why can't you shoot from the hip with a rangefinder vs x1.. Either way you're zone focusing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #15 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Technically, but the X1 has good AF. The RF has none, so your free hand has two fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted March 18, 2011 Share #16  Posted March 18, 2011 I don't understand. I don't want the X1 to be a rangefinder. I like it just the way it is design - wise. This all reminds me of literary criticism. It's expected that you criticize an author on whether they achieve what they set out to do or not, but criticizing an author for not writing about something else is totally unfair.  The X1 is to the Rangefinder what the Leica Standard was to the M3. You can't shoot form the hip on an M3 or M9. You can on an X1 / Standard. It's a different camera. Take it or leave it.  I've decided to keep mine and I'm buying an M2. Just got the 50mm collapsible Summicron.  They should compliment each other nicely.  Many can what you say one can't. Zone focusing is actually much easier with a RF as compared to a X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 18, 2011 Share #17 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Ok fine I'll make my opinion simpler and clearer then- Â The X1 isn't a rangefinder. I like it the way it is. If people want a rangefinder they can get the M8/9/X100. I don't think it's fair to criticize it by posting a link to it as a rangefinder and saying that's "what it should have been." Â No it "shouldn't" have been anything. It could have been but it wasn't. It could have also been a disposable camera. But it is what it is. So now it is it's own animal, period and it's *almost* perfect at being what it set out to be (the legitimate problems with itself based on the criteria of it's own standards are well documented in the forums, such as AF speed, so I won't list). Â Me posting a picture of the X1 morphed into some huge DSLR saying that's what it "should" have been is no better than saying that the Ford Mustang should be a pickup truck or my t-shirt should be a wool coat. It's just pointless and confusing. Yeah a pickup does a lot of things better than a mustang. So what? Don't buy the mustang if it upsets you so much. Â I think what it comes down to in the end is that everyone keeps criticizing the X1 for not being a rangefinder because they want a camera that is an M9 for 2K. Â I don't think Leica will make some miniature rangefinder. Why would they? They make the best rangefinder in the world and they make it as small as possible. Making anything smaller and cheaper would destroy company image- or if it was successful it would make the M9 type redundantly pointless if people could get it cheaper and smaller. Â Just my two cents. I've learned to really appreciate the X1 for what it is and love the results (both in my pictures and peace of mind) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 18, 2011 Share #18 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Ok fine I'll make my opinion simpler and clearer then-Â The X1 isn't a rangefinder. I like it the way it is. If people want a rangefinder they can get the M8/9/X100. I don't think it's fair to criticize it by posting a link to it as a rangefinder and saying that's "what it should have been." Â The X100 isn't a rangefinder. Neither is an X1 with a built in viewfinder. It's just an X1 with a built in viewfinder. There's no point in having a rangefinder on the X1 anyway as it's autofocus, and it would be pretty impossible to use with the focus wheel arrangement. Â You are correct that an M8 or 9 is a rangefinder. The rangefinder is the device you use for focussing, it's not the viewfinder (although the viewfinder and rangefinder are combined, unlike the earlier Barnack Leica's). Â There's absolutely no reason why you can't shoot from the hip with an M camera. You don't HAVE to use the viewfinder, as pointed out you can zone focus, not something that can be done so easily with the X1. Â The Leica standard had a viewfinder by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share #19 Â Posted March 18, 2011 Do some of you have to bring the x100 into this thread too??!! Â The freaking thing has been done to death over and over and over again. Â Leave this thread alone please. Â It is clear for some here everything converge into the x100. it's a good camera, so is the X1, the m9, m8 etc,etc..but If I want to talk about another camera I would go to that particular appropriate forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.poulton Posted March 18, 2011 Share #20 Â Posted March 18, 2011 One question that I always find perplexing is the need for a built in flash unit - I mean does anybody actually use it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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