h00ligan Posted February 28, 2011 Share #21  Posted February 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Honestly, let's keep it simple.  A device to hold the camera was placed in the hotshoe. The camera with the device attached was placed in a pocket repeatedly The hotshoe came loose and then other things happened.  I don't think it's anything other than the simplest and most obvious answer to say it created the issue.. however..  That may not have happened if the camera didn't have a flaw or had more robust build quality  That may not have happened if it hadn't been placed in a pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Hi h00ligan, Take a look here Repair - ThumbsUP related?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ChiILX1 Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share #22  Posted February 28, 2011 Well, the post office lost it  Now I have to wait 21 days to file an insurance claim for $2200 (X1 plus 10% Chicago sales tax). I'm afraid I won't be able to tell you what Leica says about it Edward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted February 28, 2011 Share #23  Posted February 28, 2011 Well, the post office lost it  Now I have to wait 21 days to file an insurance claim for $2200 (X1 plus 10% Chicago sales tax). I'm afraid I won't be able to tell you what Leica says about it Edward.  O NO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted February 28, 2011 Share #24 Â Posted February 28, 2011 That sucks!! Â Sorry man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 9, 2011 Author Share #25  Posted March 9, 2011  After my inquiry the post office "found" it and Leica confirmed delivery shortly after! I just got my invoice today confirming no charges for the warranty repair!  I'm a very happy customer  Now to the issue- when I get it back, what should I do differently to avoid this? I don't feel like I've truly solved the mystery of its cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted March 9, 2011 Share #26  Posted March 9, 2011  After my inquiry the post office "found" it and Leica confirmed delivery shortly after! I just got my invoice today confirming no charges for the warranty repair!  I'm a very happy customer  Now to the issue- when I get it back, what should I do differently to avoid this? I don't feel like I've truly solved the mystery of its cause.  I've thought alot about this. I do not think that the thumbsup did anything to cause your issue. I can't see how even putting it in a pocket could have caused the issue.  The fact that this is the only reported issue leads me to believe it is a 'fluke', and you were just the unlucky owner of a poorly made x1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted March 9, 2011 Share #27 Â Posted March 9, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've thought alot about this. I do not think that the thumbsup did anything to cause your issue. I can't see how even putting it in a pocket could have caused the issue. Â The fact that this is the only reported issue leads me to believe it is a 'fluke', and you were just the unlucky owner of a poorly made x1 Â I would concur - just bad luck. Â It will however be interesting to hear what Leica say about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #28  Posted March 12, 2011 I was just lurking in the m8 forum (all the discussion here has me thinking again about 'upgrading') and I saw this thread. http://Http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/170505-m8-loose-top-plate.html  It appears that loose top plates are not uncommon on m8's, and probably have nothing to do with the thumbs up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share #29 Â Posted March 17, 2011 Got it back yesterday all fixed up! As good as new but alas- 1.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilgabo Posted March 20, 2011 Share #30 Â Posted March 20, 2011 I just ordered a thumbs up. I'm hoping this was an isolated incident unrelated to normal use of the thumbs up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted March 21, 2011 Share #31 Â Posted March 21, 2011 Thumbs down, thumbs up...sorry, just thinking aloud:D Â I will be in orlando next month, guys, anyone there knows of nice places for me to buy camera stuff leica and nikon? Â No pre-order stuff, just a nice big store where loads of stuff are ready for shoppers to pick up there and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilgabo Posted March 25, 2011 Share #32  Posted March 25, 2011 Thumbs Up received and installed. I love it. I can see how the wrong loading of the lever arm might cause deflection and possible damage, but I'm confident the hotshoe assembly under normal use even bearing weight of the camera (light btw) can hold. Time will tell. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/144917-repair-thumbsup-related/?do=findComment&comment=1624716'>More sharing options...
gilgabo Posted March 25, 2011 Share #33  Posted March 25, 2011 I've studied the Thumbs Up design, and here's my theory. My opinion is that the X1 hot shoe can handle loads related to the torque applied by use of the thumbs up design, even unintended angled loading on the thumbs up. The portion of the Thumbs Up that goes into the hot shoe is like a beam. Tightening the lock screw causes this beam to displace and "clamp down" onto the inwardly extending flanges (labeled "a" and "b" below) of the hot shoe. I noticed that the lock screw engages a threaded through-bore in the "beam." If, for some reason, the lock screw is (very much) overtorqued, the end of the lock screw could extend beyond the bottom surface of the Thumbs Up and press onto an area marked "X" which is *not* the hotshoe. This would tend to push the hot shoe itself upward relative to the area marked "X" and cause the separation as described. There is a recess in the bottom of the Thumbs Up that can accommodate a protruding end of the lock screw if it were overtightened and keep it spaced apart from the area marked "X". Nonetheless, I can see how overtightening beyond a certain point can cause the separation.  I've tightened the lock screw on mine as tight as I could to see how far the lock screw goes, and when tightened it sits just flush with a bottom-most surface of the Thumbs Up - it does not protrude. So, for my particular Thumbs Up, I'm not concerned about the lock screw going beyond the bottom of the Thumbs Up and will confidently use it on my X1.  Again, it's just a theory. Time will tell. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/144917-repair-thumbsup-related/?do=findComment&comment=1624721'>More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share #34 Â Posted March 25, 2011 Thanks! Â When my thumbs up initially became loose I did overtighten it. That may have led to the problem. Â In the instruction manual of the ThumbsUP (or the internet video) he has a specific degrees of turn he recommends to follow. I would advise everyone not to overtighten it. This could have caused the problem over time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share #35 Â Posted April 25, 2011 Just an update- someone else reported the same issue HERE which I think solves the mystery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatsby Posted October 30, 2011 Share #36 Â Posted October 30, 2011 I just picked up a X1 and want to get the Thumbs Up grip, but am concerned about the top plate separation issue. Are there any updates or others who have experienced this? Does not tightening the screw down too much solve the problem long term? Â Any thoughts or insights would be much appreciated! Â Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Share #37 Â Posted November 1, 2011 My TU has been solid. I haven't had a problem since the repair. It's the best thing you can get for an X1 definitely. Makes it a dream to hold. Â I will warn that the X1 hotshot is not an M's hotshoe. Somehow, probably something hitting the TU while it was in my pocket and leveraging the shoe, it became loose without loosening. That's what caused me to overtighten it- I thought I was just re-tightening it. Â Regular usage, it's fine and the TU is a joy to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted November 2, 2011 Share #38  Posted November 2, 2011 I just picked up a X1 and want to get the Thumbs Up grip, but am concerned about the top plate separation issue. Are there any updates or others who have experienced this? Does not tightening the screw down too much solve the problem long term? Any thoughts or insights would be much appreciated!  Adam  i have used my x1 w/the TU for about 11 months now- w/no issues- "not overtightening" I think is the key Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatsby Posted November 5, 2011 Share #39 Â Posted November 5, 2011 Thanks for the responses! I have picked up a silver Thumbs-Up from Dale Photo. Have been shooting with it and love it as much as I did on the M8. Only tightened it enough to make it snug in the hot shoe, and the screw is not past the grip. Â Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share #40 Â Posted December 24, 2011 Ok it happened again. It's pretty understandable. Â I slipped on ice on a mountain and landed on my behind. My M2 was on my chest and my X1 in my right hand. My elbow hit the ground and the X1 didn't, but the impact knocked off the Giotto's LCD cover. My leverage from the thumbs up (and I probably instinctively gripped hard when falling) has separated the top plate of the X1 again. It was a hard fall, and the TU helped me hold onto the camera, but not without facilitating my grip to leverage the top plate off again. Â Off to Leica when I get back from Italy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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