dpitt Posted January 30, 2011 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello guys, Yesterday I encountered the Card Full bug on my M8. A Kingston 16GB card with only a few images on stated 999 in the counter when I started shooting. After a shot or seven shooting in DNG it stopped working. The camera showed Card Full whatever I tried! I tried re-inserting it, cleaning the contacts, using a freshly charged battery, .... Nothing helped. I was lucky to have a 4GB reserve card that worked fine. This morning I woke up with a theory that might shed new light on this. I figured the free space of pictures on the card was about 1000 pictures in DNG. What if the 999 counter threshold had something to do with this? I copied one of the DNG's 2 times on the card on my computer and inserted it in the M8. This reduced free space with about 20 MB. And low and behold, it worked! It showed 986 in the counter. Then I tried to reproduce the error by deleting the copied images on the card in the computer and inserting it. No good, it worked fine this time. Then I cleared 20 or so images and started shooting the M8 until it would go from 999 to another number. Still not able to reproduce... My theory is now that sometimes when you cross the threshold of 999 pictures left, the M8 locks up and is unable to continue. This would explain that some reported that a reformat fixed the issue, and that adding 20 Mb fixed it for me. Do any of you have experiences that can confirm this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Redridge Posted January 31, 2011 Share #2 Posted January 31, 2011 what firmware do you have.... make sure you got the latest, and start from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted January 31, 2011 The firmware is 2.0005. I think that is the latest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted January 31, 2011 Share #4 Posted January 31, 2011 Dirk, it's a very interesting observation. Yours is the first post I've seen that makes that link. I hope we get others' experiences on the same matter. At the very minimum, you've raised our attention to the possibility. Of course, it might also be some kind of snag on the card right at that boundary. I had a camera that worked fine with a particular card until I tried to shoot the 127th image to the card. Then the camera hung up and left no images recoverable on the card. It happened several times before I decided it must be the card. The card manufacturer replaced it, and it never happened again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 31, 2011 Share #5 Posted January 31, 2011 I guess this would be the "Millenium Bug" as applied to M8s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redridge Posted January 31, 2011 Share #6 Posted January 31, 2011 The firmware is 2.0005. I think that is the latest? yes....thats the latest . Make sure the M8 formats the card.... so you know you are starting "fresh". I really think the M8 has issues dealing with high density cards. Ive shot with 8 gig and it handled it fine. Maybe you are pushing the firmware to its ragged edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted January 31, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted January 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dirk, it's a very interesting observation. Yours is the first post I've seen that makes that link. Thanks! It probably takes a software developer to recognize the pattern I am dealing with my own bugs every day at work. Hope we can nail this one down and get it fixed in a future firmware update. Unfortunately this bug occurred when I tried to shoot the my son playing his first game of korfball. *I was lucky to have my trusty Digilux 2 with me! It was the first day I was hoping to get real colors with the M8. After shooting magenta or B&W for 6 weeks, my B+W IR cut filter was finally delivered, and after 7 shots this happened I love the M8, but it is a rose with thorns! This 16GB card was a gift. If I had bought one I would have choosen 2 or 3 4GB in stead. The card was formatted in the M8 and it has been the only device it has been used on. For now I have 'fixed' the issue by reducing the free space to less than 10.6 GB. The counter now shows 985 DNG available when the card has no DNG on it, so if it was a 'millennium' bug it should never happen again.* To reduce the available space I copied 2 mpeg files of about 2.5 GB to the root of the card. The bug is not as straightforward as simply crossing the 999 limit. My guess is that it can happen sometimes when the last shot is bordering 999 - 1000 available DNG. It could be something completely different also. Any feedback is appreciated.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted February 1, 2011 Share #8 Posted February 1, 2011 Dirk, I'm no software engineer, but I have learned to use cards with the M8 that have a max of 8GB. That way, the max number of DNG's is 743. It never has a chance to try & register over 999. In some ways this mirrors the problem with the D2 (which I love & use frequently). I never use a SD card that's larger than 2GB with the D2. I have never had any issue as long as I stick to this work flow. Also, some of the cards are better than others & some have proprietary software embedded in them. I prefer the Transcend 8 GB for my M8, the Transcend 4GB for the DMR and the 2GB cards for the D2. These have all worked flawlessly. Good Luck. With the 8 GB Transcend that's still an staggering number of DNG's on one card & not pressing the limits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted February 1, 2011 Share #9 Posted February 1, 2011 ...I love the M8, but it is a rose with thorns! ... So true. Sigh. Luscious but demanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted February 6, 2011 Share #10 Posted February 6, 2011 I came over the card full phenomenon a few days ago, after having my images downloaded to the computer. I reinserted the card into the M8.2 and the camera showed "card full". I went on with my standard procedure and formatted the card in camera. Everything was fine after formatting. I will keep an eye on the card. I guess, you look for patterns, where possibly just a defective card might be the culprit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted February 6, 2011 Share #11 Posted February 6, 2011 Dirk (Steffen)-- When you ran across the problem, was it near the point where the counter would have changed away from the "999" display? I think that's what's new in Dirk (Pitt)'s observation in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesL Posted February 7, 2011 Share #12 Posted February 7, 2011 By coincidence I got the Card Full problem yesterday - but little else was the same as you report. The card is 4 GB; the capacity saving only DNGs is 370 images. Firmware 2.004. The card was actually empty. I formatted the card in camera. It seemed okay but happened again right away (can't remember whether I took a shot or two). I took out the battery, waited a moment, and re-inserted it. That worked for the several shots I've taken since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted February 9, 2011 Share #13 Posted February 9, 2011 Dirk (Steffen)--When you ran across the problem, was it near the point where the counter would have changed away from the "999" display? I think that's what's new in Dirk (Pitt)'s observation in this thread. Howard, I use SanDisk Extreme class10 8GB cards. I shoot only DNG and the indicator shows sevenhundredsomething, when the card is freshly formatted. I did not hit the 999 counter during my experience with the "full card warning". I do remember though, that with one of my cards, I had a "no card inserted" or "card not readable" something with my Ricoh GRDIII, which shares the same cards at one or two occasions, which is why I think, a defective card might be a case with me. The Ricoh could not format the card, while with the M8.2, formatting the card right away in camera worked and solved the issue. After I formatted the card in the Mac and inserted into the Ricoh, everything went normal. If your photos are critical to you, you should dump such cards immediately and only use them as backup or in cameras, that write to two cards simultaneously, if you feel bad about throwing expensive cards away. These things can break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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