pascal_meheut Posted February 2, 2011 Share #41 Posted February 2, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, I do feel stupid having paid almost 6,000 $ for a camera with a serious design flaw. I did expect that M9 would be up to my 1Ds III in quality. Silly, of me. You are so right (for feeling stupid I mean). Sell you M9 immediately and go back to your Eos1S III who is well known for delivering top-notch quality of the whole-field with ultra-wide angles designed originally for film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 Hi pascal_meheut, Take a look here M9/VC15 mm + red edge. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
tdtaylor Posted February 2, 2011 Share #42 Posted February 2, 2011 Washington, Yes, I do feel stupid having paid almost 6,000 $ for a camera with a serious design flaw. I did expect that M9 would be up to my 1Ds III in quality. Silly, of me. I would view it as a limitation, not a flaw. Due to the physics of the lens/sensor spacing, it is amazing the ultra wides work at all (The VC's place the rear of the lens even closer to the sensor, further reducing the angle the light strikes the sensor- won't go into details, for it has been throughly discussed in other threads). The WATE, Leica's widest, works very well on the M9 (and has the rear of the lens further from the sensor; hence, it is a "larger" lens). To go wider is obviously past it's limits, but we can go there with additional support, such as Cornerfix. Even the most exotic cars have limitations, in spite of the incredible price. If the car was rated at 200mph and you drove it at 225mph and had a problem, would it be a design flaw? Or just a limitation of the basic design? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share #43 Posted February 2, 2011 I will regard it as a 'design flaw'. It seems to happen under certain light conditions. Like scenes with sea, snow and bright sunlight. More so than being tied to certain lens designs. Correct me if I am wrong. It is only my VC 15 that has shown the Red Flag, but then awful as such. Of some reason. My WATE performs satisfactorily, but is not perfect. My 35 cron has shown no sign of the Red Flag under these circumstances. I read that also others have had Red Flag problems with other lenses. Like the Noctilux. I have not had the possibility to test mine under the above mentioned circumstances. - 'Bright sunlight' is a rare thing here in Norway while 'snow' and 'sea' we have in abundance, though. Even though I have both the WATE and the VC 15 is the latter I find 'charming', even though the WATE is significantly better. Particularly on M9. Attached is one example of M9/VC15 with no Red Flag.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142529-m9vc15-mm-red-edge/?do=findComment&comment=1576605'>More sharing options...
nex100 Posted February 2, 2011 Share #44 Posted February 2, 2011 Nice pic! What do you code your CV 15 as? I will regard it as a 'design flaw'. It seems to happen under certain light conditions. Like scenes with sea, snow and bright sunlight. More so than being tied to certain lens designs. Correct me if I am wrong. It is only my VC 15 that has shown the Red Flag, but then awful as such. Of some reason. My WATE performs satisfactorily, but is not perfect. My 35 cron has shown no sign of the Red Flag under these circumstances. I read that also others have had Red Flag problems with other lenses. Like the Noctilux. I have not had the possibility to test mine under the above mentioned circumstances. - 'Bright sunlight' is a rare thing here in Norway while 'snow' and 'sea' we have in abundance, though. Even though I have both the WATE and the VC 15 is the latter I find 'charming', even though the WATE is significantly better. Particularly on M9. Attached is one example of M9/VC15 with no Red Flag.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share #45 Posted February 2, 2011 Thanks, I code the VC 15 as a WATE (11626). Is a typical picture that is impossible to take with a Canon 1Ds III which is too large & noisy to be private and discrete.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share #46 Posted February 2, 2011 Two pictures taken along Oslo harbor with light conditions almost 'ideal' (well) for Red Flag: Snow, sea, ice and (some) sun. The WATE this time. It made no difference if set on 16 mm or any of the others. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142529-m9vc15-mm-red-edge/?do=findComment&comment=1576730'>More sharing options...
ho_co Posted February 2, 2011 Share #47 Posted February 2, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... Yes, I do feel stupid having paid almost 6,000 $ for a camera with a serious design flaw.... Boy, Olsen, I'm glad you got in at the low end! Just think how embarrassed you'd be if you'd bought a Hasselblad or Alpa or Phase with the same problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted February 2, 2011 Share #48 Posted February 2, 2011 Belaboring the red-edge subject ad nauseam at this late date just does not make sense to me. Especially when it is so very simple to correct. The M-9 with certain lenses under certain conditions is going to do it: KNOWN FACT. Then why is the camera faulted over and over again. If one did not do any easily found research before dropping 7 grand and expecting perfection due to their own lack of curiosity..... who's fault is that? It reminds me of the old adage in the trades: "a poor craftsman blames his tools" From the beginning of photography itself post-processing has always been necessary to achieve superior results.... so what is new? The red-edge complainers have to expect a perfect finished photograph from this camera: what else can they mean? But no camera ever has supplied perfectly finished photographs right out of the camera ..... printing was an art unto itself, necessary for fine work. That is post-processing, isn't it? For high quality work we now shoot in RAW. It absolutely must be post processed. So, along with levels, curves, color balance, noise considerations, chromatic aberration correction, sharpening etc, etc. a few seconds in corner-fix when necessary is a hassle? I don't get it. Attached are 15mm CV shots taken were I know red edge is not a problem and taken to insure there is red-edge. It took only seconds to fix them. There was no DNG. post-processing done other than a few minutes in Corner-Fix. Let's count our blessings. Sorry, I missed the corrected version of one photo...... Cheers Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142529-m9vc15-mm-red-edge/?do=findComment&comment=1576855'>More sharing options...
Olsen Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share #49 Posted February 2, 2011 About counting blessings. These are some 1Ds III pictures that I have shown here earlier this year. Taken at minus 22 C with my 1Ds III with Canon's excellent 35 mm 1,4L. From the Wolf Country in Western Sweden, Värmland. Files right out of the camera. No PP whatsoever. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142529-m9vc15-mm-red-edge/?do=findComment&comment=1576901'>More sharing options...
Washington Posted February 2, 2011 Share #50 Posted February 2, 2011 Beautiful! I'd love to go there! But that's not my point. My MkIII Ds takes perfectly good CR2's too. My M-9 takes perfectly good DNG's as well. Perfectly good for iddy-bitty pictures on a monitor... most of which aren't in sync and display your colors however they wish at 100-120 dpi. But, take one of those CR2's and run it through this thing without post processing for a 20x24 print and you will see what I mean! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/142529-m9vc15-mm-red-edge/?do=findComment&comment=1576976'>More sharing options...
charles-k Posted February 3, 2011 Share #51 Posted February 3, 2011 As it has been suggested numerous times, the red edge correction is a single step in the PP workflow, that resolves the issue immediately, either with CornerFix or C1 Pro. It is a characteristic of the M9, that may or may not be resolved with firmware updates. I do think anyone who acquires a M9 should be very proficient in PP workflow, otherwise the superb IQ that is possible, will never be realized. I have migrated from the 5DII and full set of Zeiss/L series glass, and I still am amazed the IQ that is possible from the M9, so much so, that I have moved on all my 5DII and lenses, and now have a second M9 as a backup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share #52 Posted February 3, 2011 Charles & (George) Washington, I have been using C1 all along since I bought my M8. Since I now have gotten used to it I can just as well buy the 6.1 C1 Pro version. I regularly do large prints both from my 1Ds III and my M8. I haven't got to the step printing anything from my M9 yet. But of what I can see it looks very good. I am actually off to our 'dacha' in Sweden today. I am just about to pack my car. Down the hill from this old farm there is another farm. Here four kids grew up. Two emigrated to 'America' in the 30'. Both were called in to do military service during WWII. One fell at some beach in the Pacific. The other ended up as a carpenter in Minneapolis. His grand son's family visited here a few years back. He wanted to see his 'roots'. Since I was the only one in the village at the time that spoke any English I had a lot of contact with them. Nice folks. Small world... Have a nice weekend, folks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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