highlander Posted June 24, 2006 Share #1 Posted June 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone got the latest information on the proposed "Digital M". I have been away for some time (Not in Jail !!!) regards ... Jim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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plexiform Posted June 24, 2006 Share #2 Posted June 24, 2006 I havent heard anything about it but am anxiously waiting like many others. If you hear anything please post it on the forum. thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 24, 2006 Share #3 Posted June 24, 2006 Well, over on the old English forum, we've been talking about the Digital M for a while. Where to begin? Key things we "think" we know: - 1.33 crop factor, similar size to M7, a little thicker, motor wound metal shutter - A "real" Leica - 10Mp Kodak sensor - Virtually all M lenses usable - 2.5" LCD display - 6 bit "zebra" code on the back of lenses is read by the camera for image optimisation - $4995 + tax, €3995 including tax, £3250 including tax expected pricing (more or less) - Launched at Photokina 2006. I'll be in Cologne on 26 September! Can't wait... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted June 24, 2006 Share #4 Posted June 24, 2006 It can not come soon enough for me. I am a wedding photographer and am dead dog tired of lugging a bag full of Canon bricks around my neck : -) Are we sure it is a Kodak sensor? Who is doing the electronics if it isn't Imacon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_wt Posted June 24, 2006 Share #5 Posted June 24, 2006 Well, over on the old English forum, we've been talking about the Digital M for a while. Where to begin? Key things we "think" we know: - 1.33 crop factor, similar size to M7, a little thicker, motor wound metal shutter - A "real" Leica - 10Mp Kodak sensor - Virtually all M lenses usable - 2.5" LCD display - 6 bit "zebra" code on the back of lenses is read by the camera for image optimisation - $4995 + tax, €3995 including tax, £3250 including tax expected pricing (more or less) - Launched at Photokina 2006. I'll be in Cologne on 26 September! Can't wait... And I've heard it will be named M8. Wim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 24, 2006 Share #6 Posted June 24, 2006 Because of the 1.33 crop factor, a 21mm lens will have the same angle of view as a 28mm lens on 35mm, so we expect a super-wide lens from Leica. Seems likely to be a 15mm f2.8 but the Zeiss equivalent is huge and expensive, so they could reduce the aperture to f3.5 or f4. Leica have said any new lenses will be usable with the Digital M and film cameras so it's likely a 15mm lens would be usable for film cameras as well, even though there appears to be little demand for such a short focal length. Bound to be expensive, minimum €3500. The R equivalent is made by Schneider and costs a whopping €6500. We also expect to see another 28mm; the need to have an "economical" range of lenses suggests an Elmarit 28mm ASPH; there could be a Summilux (f1.4) 28mm ASPH although this would be expensive too. And, it looks like the 135mm f3.4 will not work on the M8 - it may just be a focussing issue, there might be more to it than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 24, 2006 Share #7 Posted June 24, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Be here in October Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted June 24, 2006 Share #8 Posted June 24, 2006 I have been away for some time (Not in Jail !!!) Are you sure? Your denial makes me suspicious As for the DM...I am having to watch from a distance. I have just got an R-D1 which I think willmake me lust after a DM even more. However, purchasing would I think put me in the market for a new wife too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davadam Posted June 24, 2006 Share #9 Posted June 24, 2006 (tapping fingers on table... waiting anxiously...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinwen Posted June 24, 2006 Share #10 Posted June 24, 2006 Just read in a french mag the cropping factor might be less than 1.3 as the sensor supplier isn't Imacon anymore but should be Kodak... but could be (dream ?) a full frame Dalsa. Speculation of course. Anyway it has to be at least 20x30mm to be considered seriously by the professionnal market. If the DM is just a telemetric DMR it will be a failure for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpaw Posted June 24, 2006 Share #11 Posted June 24, 2006 hi there, i love Epson R-D1. i have shot about 6,000 images so far. it is a delight. i love the ability to set the "film", the Leica feel, the use of my leica lens' and have been using the Voightlander lens' to good effect. it has caused me to give up film due to the ASA's that are available for low light. specifically my M cameras. there are times that i cannot use the epson due to the noisy shutter. i will use a Digilux II because it is quiet. however, it that gives terrible shadow noise in jpeg form. (i shoot too much to wait for raw form (why didn't they build a good buffer in that camera)) i await the digital M. i am concerned, though, that the suggested metal shutter will not be "leica quiet" if it is quiet, i will be in line to purchase the digital M peter williams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 24, 2006 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2006 Just read in a french mag the cropping factor might be less than 1.3 as the sensor supplier isn't Imacon anymore but should be Kodak... but could be (dream ?) a full frame Dalsa. Speculation of course. Anyway it has to be at least 20x30mm to be considered seriously by the professionnal market. If the DM is just a telemetric DMR it will be a failure for sure. I certainly like to know why the DMR is a failure , I have 2 of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 24, 2006 Share #13 Posted June 24, 2006 Peter, like you, I'm concerned about the shutter noise. The R-D1 metal shutter is more noticeable than an M cloth shutter and the (presumed) motor wind will just make it noiser unless they have provided the ability to cock the shutter separately from taking the picture. Personally, I would have preferred a lever wind to keep the noise and power consumption down with perhaps the option to use the M7 Motor if required. Michel, if they're using a Kodak sensor, the KAF 10010 is the most likely candidate which is a 10Mp APS+ sensor. If instead they've been working with Dalsa and will surprise us all with an FF camera, I will be amazed. Wouldn't it be good for Leica to go right to the top of the tree by doing so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted June 24, 2006 Share #14 Posted June 24, 2006 The Digital M should be an exciting development - the thing I would really like to see, (apologies to Leica purists) would be a M - zoom lens, maybe 75-110mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 24, 2006 Share #15 Posted June 24, 2006 Not going to happen. If you have a zoom lens, you have to be able to have a viewfinder which tracks the focal length of the lens. The Tri-Elmar has 3 fixed focal lengths which couple with the viewfinder but there's no way it could support a continuously variable focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinwen Posted June 24, 2006 Share #16 Posted June 24, 2006 I certainly like to know why the DMR is a failure , I have 2 of them You misread me, I didn't say DMR is a failure, I said if the DM is "like" the DMR it will be a failure for Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmsr Posted June 24, 2006 Share #17 Posted June 24, 2006 Why would it be a failure. I think the DMR provides great files. I assume that the Digital M will be at least as good, probably better since they have had a few additional years for the firmware and electronics. Best, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 25, 2006 Share #18 Posted June 25, 2006 1.33x crop (27mm x 18mm) is pretty definite. Kodak sensor is pretty definite (as was the DMR's sensor). Imacon will have no role - replaced by a German company not yet named. Shutter noise I would not worry about - pick up an R9, set it to mirror-pre-release, release the mirror, and then release the shutter. VERY muffled sound even compared to the Epson. Not M7 quiet, but at least as quiet as my early M6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 25, 2006 Share #19 Posted June 25, 2006 Andy, never seen, much less used an R9, do it have a motor wound shutter as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 25, 2006 Share #20 Posted June 25, 2006 Hmm - good point, Mark. But having used some of the other motorized RFs (Konica, Contax) as well as the DMR - and accounting for the fact that a digital camera can use a much lower torque motor since there's no film to drag along - I suspect the shutter sound will still be well-muffled, well within the "norm" for focal-plane RF cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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