schimmey Posted January 16, 2007 Share #1 Posted January 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all I have been using the R2400 to print b/w prints onto their Archival Matte Paper. However I have now come across a print that I feel needs to be gloss. I have never seriously printed a b/w print onto gloss & concerned of the right ink set up (i.e. matte black or photo black). Also which paper is the best and how long does it take to dry fully. Any advice welcome. Thanks, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nealf Posted January 16, 2007 Share #2 Posted January 16, 2007 Use photo black, and use Epson paper with an Epson printer... It dries very quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted January 16, 2007 Share #3 Posted January 16, 2007 Paul I have recently used paper by Moab. Their matte paper is fully archival and acid free. I have tried the Kayenta Photo Matte. It is a very bright paper. It has decent weight. Their Entrada series is much heavier weight but not as bright. I have not tried Entrada yet. They are both double sided. I also used the Kokopelli Photo Gloss with very good results. I only printed color on the gloss. It is an RC based paper. No claims of acid free or archivalness with the gloss paper. Nice and bright though. The pricing is not bad either. Nice range of sizes to choose from as well. For archival gloss Digital C-Prints are excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted January 16, 2007 Share #4 Posted January 16, 2007 I use the new Hahnemuhle Fineart Pearl with Photo Black ink to full satisfaction............. after years of printing on matte paper (because of "bronzing" issue with the Epson 2100 i used before) ....the combination R2400/ Hahnemuhle Fineart Pearl is all i could ask for when it comes to ink jet printing. Not cheap but outstanding for B&W and Color! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted January 16, 2007 Share #5 Posted January 16, 2007 I use the new Hahnemuhle Fineart Pearl with Photo Black ink to full satisfaction............. after years of printing on matte paper (because of "bronzing" issue with the Epson 2100 i used before) ....the combination R2400/ Hahnemuhle Fineart Pearl is all i could ask for when it comes to ink jet printing. Not cheap but outstanding for B&W and Color! Same for me. I'm using the Innova F too for color but the Hahnemuhle is quite good in B&W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W Posted January 16, 2007 Share #6 Posted January 16, 2007 I use Epson Premium Luster with Photo black and Matte Paper Heavyweight with matte black It works very nice BTW - I find the Matte Paper Heavyweight and Double sided matte paper from Epson better than the Archival Matte Paper. The surface is rather smoother Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 16, 2007 Share #7 Posted January 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you have an exceptional B&W image you might want to look at Museo Silver Rag. It has an appearance much like a traditional fiber-based print. Like many of the fine art papers it is quite expensive, but is worth it, IMHO, for those occasional shots that raise the bar. You use the regular Photo Black ink with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted January 16, 2007 Share #8 Posted January 16, 2007 Just to clarify further: Hahnemuhle Fine art Pearl, Innova FibaPrint and Museo Silver Rag are simmilar type of papers. All 3 papers have, as Paul said, a look close to a traditional Fiber Based print. Main difference is in the whiteness and structure of the diffferent papers. I finaly decided for Hanhnemuhle Fine art pearl because i did not like the structure of Innova F. Museo Silver Rag is not general available in Europe, so i did not test that paper .. to my understanding it should be warmer than Hahnemuhle Fine Art Pearl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted January 16, 2007 Share #9 Posted January 16, 2007 Hello everybody, First post, so here it goes. Epson paper is not all that great.. It has too much yellow in it. I second the Moab paper. It is oustanding. The 300 gram heavy Entrada line in bright white or natural is my alltime favourite. Kayenta is an excellent choice to make test prints. Cheaper than Entrada. Both paper styles are doublesided. The glossy Kokopelli paper comes in three ways. from semi to Glossysy. Best part about it is that Moab offers on ther website e (moabpapers.com) ) free icc files for download. All you need to do is pick the print driver/icc file for the printer you use, download it and follow the instructions. These printer drivers are by the way a lot better than the Epson ones. For instance when I print on Epson Glossy Premium paper with e epson driver the colours alter drastically to what I see on my screen. When using the moab print driver for glossy paper with the epson paper , the results come out the way they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted January 16, 2007 Share #10 Posted January 16, 2007 If you have an exceptional B&W image you might want to look at Museo Silver Rag. It has an appearance much like a traditional fiber-based print. Like many of the fine art papers it is quite expensive, but is worth it, IMHO, for those occasional shots that raise the bar. You use the regular Photo Black ink with it. Anyone had any luck wit comparing the 2400 withe Epson drivers against an older printer (say a 4000) with Imageprint RIP? How is the range on the blacks and greys on the 2400? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted January 16, 2007 Share #11 Posted January 16, 2007 I’ll second the vote for Museo Silver Rag. My experience is the same as the comments you’ll see here: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=16948 The JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2007 of Photo Techniques http://www.phototechmag.com/current.htm had an article reaching the same concluion - in fact Mark says they are better than his darkroom prints, and I'll agree with that. Do Some Inkjet Prints Now Surpass the Darkroom? by Mark Dubovoy A new generation of papers, in conjunction with newer printers, create prints that rival—and perhaps surpass—the darkroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted January 16, 2007 Share #12 Posted January 16, 2007 I notice in all these posts that no one is specifying where to get icc profiles. Do they exist for this printer? I ask because my 2200 is in a mechanical downspiral. I can still print photo paper and museum board, but can't do roll paper without the gears ratcheting to death. I have been using Ilford papers with great success -- using the profiles on their site. I am, however, interested in starting some b/w on rag paper and will explore the thots above. thx, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted January 16, 2007 Share #13 Posted January 16, 2007 Bill, yes - here: http://www.crane.com/museo/support.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted January 16, 2007 Share #14 Posted January 16, 2007 I notice in all these posts that no one is specifying where to get icc profiles. Do they exist for this printer? I ask because my 2200 is in a mechanical downspiral. I can still print photo paper and museum board, but can't do roll paper without the gears ratcheting to death. I have been using Ilford papers with great success -- using the profiles on their site. I am, however, interested in starting some b/w on rag paper and will explore the thots above. thx, Please check my post above. I mentioned there where to get the icc files for Moab paper. They do work for other papers as well. Also, they are way better than the epson drivers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lode Posted January 16, 2007 Share #15 Posted January 16, 2007 Hi all I have been using the R2400 to print b/w prints onto their Archival Matte Paper. However I have now come across a print that I feel needs to be gloss. When it needs to be gloss I use Premium Glossy Photo Paper (and R2400). It dries quickly. It is not a real glossy paper. Lode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted January 16, 2007 Share #16 Posted January 16, 2007 I will second Harald's comments on the ICC profiles supplied by Moab. I did not try them with other papers but for their own papers they are a very excellent match. The Kayenta Photo Matte has a very high brightness that might add what a print needs rather than printing on glossy paper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryharwood Posted January 19, 2007 Share #17 Posted January 19, 2007 hi, I use the 2400, mainly for colour exhibition prints; I use permajet art classic @ 325gsm. This is expensive, handmade paper, but what a result ! Epson papers are OK, but generally too thin, although premium super gloss is good. changing the ink cartridges from photo black to matt is a pain, and very wasteful of ink; therefore I tend to wait until i have a run of matt base photos, and then change to gloss. Much more beneficial. Apparently, this is what a number of commercial print people do also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted January 19, 2007 Share #18 Posted January 19, 2007 Hi all I have been using the R2400 to print b/w prints onto their Archival Matte Paper. However I have now come across a print that I feel needs to be gloss. I have never seriously printed a b/w print onto gloss & concerned of the right ink set up (i.e. matte black or photo black). Also which paper is the best and how long does it take to dry fully. Any advice welcome. Thanks, Paul For truly high gloss, IMHO, nothing beats Olympus Pictorico High Gloss Film (yes, "film"). This is an extremely glossy ceramic. There are profiles for it on the Olympus site but the generic R2400 premium glossy profile also works extremely well. I have done both BW and color with this combo and the results are excellent. Very white whites and very black blacks. The downside of the Pictorico is that it is very expensive - almost $5 per sheet at 13 x 19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted January 20, 2007 Share #19 Posted January 20, 2007 For truly high gloss, IMHO, nothing beats Olympus Pictorico High Gloss Film (yes, "film"). This is an extremely glossy ceramic. There are profiles for it on the Olympus site but the generic R2400 premium glossy profile also works extremely well. I have done both BW and color with this combo and the results are excellent. Very white whites and very black blacks. The downside of the Pictorico is that it is very expensive - almost $5 per sheet at 13 x 19. I thought the same thing, but a store owner wanted prints to frame and exhibit for sale, and I first made test prints of this image, on the Pictorico High Gloss Film, and then just out of curiosity on Crane’s Museo Silver Rag. The Silver rag print appeared to be more saturated with more detail - as good as the Pictorico film is, the Silver rag print just looked better - so I made a 17 x 22 for them on that paper instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedbest Posted January 20, 2007 Share #20 Posted January 20, 2007 Innova has a new paper called F-Print Gloss Semi Matte that you might want to try. It is very similar to their Gloss but with less stippling. It is a very luscious paper and is 300gm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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