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The problem I have with Velvia isn't the shadows or the sharpness, it's the colours. I find them dreadful. Obviously I'm in a minority of one <grin>.

 

Hi Steve

 

Colors are very subjective and no you are not in a minority of one...

 

Noel

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[stunsworth]

Colors are very subjective...

 

I agree, I think that my problem is that I've seen some very fine Kodachrome portraits, but skin tones with Velvia look horrid IMHO.

[Doc Henry]

Steve,

I posted a portrait of my niece in a thread "People" for you

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/146004-steve-stunsworth-my-niece.html

Henry

[twittle]

...not sure what you're struggling with or where you're trying to go with this, twittle - the operative word here is "where", as in Dwayne's clearly communicated cut-off date. My post was very nuanced, so you may want to re-read it to see if it does make sense. There does not have to be a villain.

 

Dropping a baton, irrespective of where or when has negative implications, the same as the phrase dropping the ball. Thanks for "clarifying", though...

 

 

Oh, and just so I'm not accused of posting solely off topic, I wish I knew what to switch to from Kodachrome. Just got 17 rolls of the stuff back from Dwayne's and don't know what to shoot now, so I guess I'll have to do some experimenting.

[JBA]

For me, the other Fujis alway required an 81A filter welded to all my lenses - just too fishbelly "cold".

 

I've also found most Fujis to be on the blue side, particularly in shadows or on overcast days. Had an interesting conversation a while back on the light in Japan and the Japanese perception of color and how they prefer to render colors, and how this has influenced the color balance of Fuji films. For example, the Japanese call a green traffic light the "blue signal," and frequently refer to greenery as "blue." So a cultural/semantic bias may explain why Fuji films tend toward "fishbelly cold."

[adan]

Back when Fuji was first making a major push into the US slide-film market (late 70s), they ran a print ad showing two identical-appearing pearls, asking "Can you see the difference? - Japanese eyes can." Going on to talk about the different perception of color and why it made Fuji films more lifelike blah, blah, blah.

 

Personally, I liked the plain pre-"Velvia/Provia/Sensia" Fujichrome 50/100 color more than the revisions - but once they quit making them, well, there it was.

[Doc Henry]

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I've also found most Fujis to be on the blue side, particularly in shadows or on overcast days. Had an interesting conversation a while back on the light in Japan and the Japanese perception of color and how they prefer to render colors, and how this has influenced the color balance of Fuji films. For example, the Japanese call a green traffic light the "blue signal," and frequently refer to greenery as "blue." So a cultural/semantic bias may explain why Fuji films tend toward "fishbelly cold."

JBA,

I find in Ektachrome it was rather a dominant blue

I'm not saying for Kodachrome which is perfect for me

It also depends on the laboratory to which we give the slides to develop

I always give the laboratory Fuji ...

Regards

Henry

[Doc Henry]

Back when Fuji was first making a major push into the US slide-film market (late 70s), they ran a print ad showing two identical-appearing pearls, asking "Can you see the difference? - Japanese eyes can." Going on to talk about the different perception of color and why it made Fuji films more lifelike blah, blah, blah.

 

Personally, I liked the plain pre-"Velvia/Provia/Sensia" Fujichrome 50/100 color more than the revisions - but once they quit making them, well, there it was.

Adan,

It's like me

I use three films because I love taking pictures of flowers

I love the natural colors of Fuji ....

I'll post some pictures with combinations Velvia / Provia / Sensia

Regards

Henry

[stunsworth]

I've also found most Fujis to be on the blue side, particularly in shadows or on overcast days.

 

I totally agree. At one point the colour film I used was Provia 100 and I always felt that the shadows were far too blue.

 

Although in the end I only shot one roll of it - I was in the move over to digital - I much prefered Kodak 100G, and should have shot more of that.

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The problem I have with Velvia isn't the shadows or the sharpness, it's the colours. I find them dreadful. Obviously I'm in a minority of one <grin>.

 

It's the shadows and the colors for me. No shadow details, horrid over-the-top colors.

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Hi

 

When Kchrome 25 was stopped, I went to APX100 and APX400, not a complete solution as it turns out.

 

Noel

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I agree, I think that my problem is that I've seen some very fine Kodachrome portraits, but skin tones with Velvia look horrid IMHO.

 

stunsworth, I agree 100%. I shot the original RDP in landscapes, the Dead Sea was purple. I gave it another "shot" in India, what crap. Deep blue sky came out magenta. But the grain was fine.

 

In 2001 in Israel, Kodak 100WS blew Velvia colors out of the water, 100VS was it's practical equal in grain. I bought a roll of the new 50 2 years ago and never shot it as it has just left a poor taste in my mouth. I just gave it away a few days ago.

 

But the important thing for me and I guess many of us with 1/1000 sec. max shutter speeds, is that we select film for it's speed as much as what we use it for. In this case, v v v v Velvia (sorry for my stutter) is the only game left.

 

So in the sense of having a great all around slide film at about ISO 50, we're SOL.

[Guest Scubachris]

Kodachrome

They give us those nice bright colors

They give us the greens of summers

Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah

I got a Nikon camera

I love to take a photograph

So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

 

Sorry, I had to get it out of the system. I think in Europe, you have more film variety available. I have tried different kinds of film for years, and have yet to achieve the type of colors that I have received with Kodachrome. But experimenting is half the fun, right now I shoot Kodak Ektar 100. Check it out.

KODAK PROFESSIONAL EKTAR 100 Film: Questions and Answers

[MX5Bob]

Steve,

I posted a portrait of my niece in a thread "People" for you

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/146004-steve-stunsworth-my-niece.html

Henry

 

Which film did you shoot this with?

[stunsworth]

Which film did you shoot this with?

 

From the context of the previous messages I assume Velvia.

[Doc Henry]

From the context of the previous messages I assume Velvia.

Thank you Steve to answer for me

It's Velvia 50

Another photo to show you the quality of this film :

Rich colors, warm tone

I also use Velvia for my photos of flowers

In summary, the "high fidelity" in color (such as "high fidelity in sound")

Notice the sharpness of incense sticks

I remind you that ALL of my slides are sent to the Fuji Laboratory by my Leica dealer.

 

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[Doc Henry]

Very nice pictures of Lotus blossom here :

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/members/65259-albums3944-picture4513.html

I think that Nikolay means "Velvia 50"

[stunsworth]

In summary, the "high fidelity" in color (such as "high fidelity in sound)

 

I think this is where we will have to agree to disagree. While many may like the Velvia version of the world I wouldn't say that it it "high fidelity" - i.e. a faithfull reproduction of what we see. Rather it's always seemed to be to be like an old hifi with the loudness button permanantly engaged, or the bass and treble controls turned up to max.

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[Doc Henry]

Hi Steve,

I see it is difficult to convince someone like you who normally uses anything other than Fuji film

I remind you in starting this thread that we must find an alternative to the end of production of Kodachrome.

We agree that this is one of the best and even better,but infortunately Kodachrome will no longer

exist and therefore we must find something else.

I think Fuji with Velvia (that is still marketed) but for how long? is a good compromise.

It is true that the choice of colors is very subjective according to each of us

So I'll stop there for comparison and i hope that each of us find the right film to replace Kodachrome,according to his tastes

Thank you anyway for your franck reply

For me the film remains with film cameras the reference in color and even in b&w

That's what I call "high fidelity"

Best regards

Henry

[stunsworth]

Hi Steve,

I see it is difficult to convince someone like you who normally uses anything other than Fuji film

 

 

I think Fuji with Velvia (that is still marketed) but for how long? is a good compromise.

 

When I shot colour film - which I haven't done for a while, I almost always used Fuji. In fact I can only think of one roll that wasn't. It's just that I don't like Velia's colour pallette. That's just my opinion, I'm not trying to persuade anyone else from using the film, but it's not for me.

 

As for Velvia's survival, I think it'll be around for a while, though whether there'll be three versions of it is another matter.