peterm1_Leica Posted October 3, 2010 Share #1 Posted October 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I recently bought a second hand M8 and so far am loving it. All the lies they tell about its beautiful image quality are true. The colors and tones are sublime. I am shooting RAW as it has been drummed into me that this is essential with this camera (I generally shoot raw with my Nikon kit in any case.) But when I transfer the images to my PC (running XP pro) I have found that they arrive as TIF images and what appears on screen is a 320 x 240 large thumbnail even though the image size is given as 10 megs. These TIF thumbnails cannot be enlarged to full size in Windows. After converting to JPG (using Lightroom as I do not wish to become dependent on Capture one given its only a 15 day free trial (how cheap is that - a $6000 camera when used and they do not provide processing software) they do appear normally sized. Anyway my main question is why do they not appear as DNG images. Is this normal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shootist Posted October 4, 2010 Share #2 Posted October 4, 2010 I recently bought a second hand M8 and so far am loving it. All the lies they tell about its beautiful image quality are true. The colors and tones are sublime. I am shooting RAW as it has been drummed into me that this is essential with this camera (I generally shoot raw with my Nikon kit in any case.) But when I transfer the images to my PC (running XP pro) I have found that they arrive as TIF images and what appears on screen is a 320 x 240 large thumbnail even though the image size is given as 10 megs. These TIF thumbnails cannot be enlarged to full size in Windows. After converting to JPG (using Lightroom as I do not wish to become dependent on Capture one given its only a 15 day free trial (how cheap is that - a $6000 camera when used and they do not provide processing software) they do appear normally sized. Anyway my main question is why do they not appear as DNG images. Is this normal? It a windows thing (IIRC) when you connect the camera to the computer and use something other then a photo editing program to import them. Simple thing to do is take the SD card out of the camera and put it in a card reader. Then you can use anythng, Win Explorer or photo importing program like LR or the Adobe photo downloader that comes with CS4-5/Bridge, and your images will show as DNG and give you full images in a photo editing program. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 4, 2010 Share #3 Posted October 4, 2010 Peter assuming that you are shooting DNG as you say, this is nothing to do with the camera . It is due to however you are importing and viewing the files and with what program. If you have Lightroom, set it properly and import with that and you can browse the (DNG) previews in Library no problems at all. 8 or 10,000 M 8 files work fine here. If you are attempting to browse DNG files within Windows XP Pro you need a DNG codec. Try a net search. I know that there is one for Vista at least available for free.That is a Windows XP limitation, not a DNG deficiency. Obviously since XP is obsolete you may not see new support for it now. A fully functional Capture One program and licence was provided with the M8 when new. It was not just a trial. As you got your camera second hand, unless the seller transferred the Capture One licence you would not have it. Leica Camera of course has no influence over what happens with the software once the original owner has received a licence and then later resells the camera. You may be able to get a deal from Capture One if you want to upgrade the trial that you have. They often have special deals. I keep mine up to date since I got it with my M8 even though I now have Lightroom and the M9. In any event, once again, just use Lightroom. I recommend that you upgrade to Version 3 if you do not already have that. Superior Raw processing and noise reduction to earlier versions. I hope that you paid a lot less than $6000 for your used M8!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterm1_Leica Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted October 4, 2010 Thank you gentlemen I will give these a try. Hoppyman I am still a bit mystified regarding Capture one. Usually the software company simply provides a key that you (or subsequent owners) can use to register the software fully. Typically this is on a sticker placed on the CD or the manual. (Nothing in my case) Possibly I need to check with the prior owner to see if he has it still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 4, 2010 Share #5 Posted October 4, 2010 The licence key is provided to the legitimate owner of the software, not just anyone who happens to have the key. The original owner of the software didn't sell it to you, so you are not entitled to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterm1_Leica Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted October 4, 2010 The licence key is provided to the legitimate owner of the software, not just anyone who happens to have the key. The original owner of the software didn't sell it to you, so you are not entitled to use it. Actually I am the legitimate owner of the software. It came with the camera when I bought it. What did not come with the software (presumably an oversight) was the key. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted October 4, 2010 Share #7 Posted October 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Most (but not all) 2nd hand items sold are lacking in some way or another part of the original contents, which of course includes the OEM software. This is usually mentioned (sometimes by default) in the sellers description and taken account of in the price asked. The trick is to know what should be there and check to see if it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 4, 2010 Share #8 Posted October 4, 2010 Actually I am the legitimate owner of the software. It came with the camera when I bought it. What did not come with the software (presumably an oversight) was the key. You might be the owner of the disk, but unless the original owner of the camera, who first installed and registered the software, de-registered it and un-installed it from his or her computer, what you have is just a piece of plastic. Software ownership isn't a physical thing, it's a "right to use". Until the person who currently has that right gives it up, you don't have that right to use that particular copy. Brian is right - if the camera was sold "with full copy of Capture One" included, you need to take this up with the vendor. Only one person may use the key that came with the software at one time. Otherwise, any old Tom, Dick or Harry could use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Glendell Posted October 4, 2010 Share #9 Posted October 4, 2010 Hello Peterm I too recently bought a second hand m8 and had a similar problem. Mine came with no software and like you I have been a nikon user for digital work. I bought Capture one 5 ( non pro version ) it's about $100 from memory. It will do all you want and sort out the Mini Tiffs problem. I also went through the same situation and finally decided to buy C1 5 as the cheapest solution to the problem. As a nikon software user I don't actually find C1 5 the simple to use, it is very different to using the nikon software. However after the initial 'tweaking' of images in C1 5 I usually finish off in photoshop. It state very clearly when you buy C1 5 that only one person can use it, and they mean only one person as the make it so that the key is not trasferable without it being unloaded from the original computer. At least that is as far as I can work it out. I must say however that the M8 itself has been wonderful - and I am really pleased I bought it. Good luck Paul Paul Glendell Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 5, 2010 Share #10 Posted October 5, 2010 There seems to be some confusion in this thread regarding software licences. Once again, with the M8, Leica Camera provided a CD with a copy of the program and a licence code which you use to activate the software with Phase One. I just read the EULA and there it actually says that the licence is non-transferable. If you obtain the licence key from the seller and the seller has de-activated the program on their computer you may be able to register and activate it. However, just ask Phase One. They have been very responsive in the past when I had questions. .................... Capture One Software License Agreement Updated: December 2008 .............The rights granted to you are personal and non-transferable........... 2.2 Single User License. This License is for one person to use, provided that you have obtained from Phase One a Single User License Number. The Single User License can only be used on one computer at a time. However, it may be installed on up to 2 computers. You are allowed to create one copy of the Software in machine-readable form for backup purposes only. The backup copy must include all copyright information contained on the original. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 5, 2010 Share #11 Posted October 5, 2010 That's exactly what we have been saying, Geoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 5, 2010 Share #12 Posted October 5, 2010 Yes Andy and the same thing I said as well. However Peter sounds as though he may still be confused about the arrangements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterm1_Leica Posted November 9, 2010 Author Share #13 Posted November 9, 2010 Yes Andy and the same thing I said as well. However Peter sounds as though he may still be confused about the arrangements. Not unsure - disappointed! I have never heard of such a licensing arrangement in all of my life. How on earth can someone justify such a restrictive arrangement that benefits only one person - the creator of the software - ie You buy this from me but only YOU can then use it. You cannot sell it, you cannot pass it on to your best friend. Technically if you are a photographer and you set up a company and seek to continue using the software then you should not do that either. Complete BS on the part of the licenser. Is it any wonder people turn to illegal DL sites to get software. Of course I would not do that and do not advocate it - I just make the comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 9, 2010 Share #14 Posted November 9, 2010 Actually I am the legitimate owner of the software. It came with the camera when I bought it. What did not come with the software (presumably an oversight) was the key.You can only be the legitimate owner if the original owner deactivates the key on the C1 website and sells (gives?) you the key. Anyway, the program supplied with the M8 is obsolete by now, I second the suggestion of purchasing LR3 ( or CS5 if you are ambitious) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfokevin Posted November 9, 2010 Share #15 Posted November 9, 2010 Whatever software came with the camera is outdated and will not give you the best user experience... Lightroom can be downloaded on a 30 day free trial... https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=photoshop_lightroom (Make sure to select your operating system before downloading) C1 free trial... http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Graphics/Capture-One-Pro.shtml Once you try one of these I doubt you will want the old software Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 14, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 14, 2010 I have another strange problem transferring images from myn new M8.2. I run XP Pro SP3 and Lightroom 3.2. When I connect the camera with the USB cable the images appear in LR as .tif files. When I put the SD card from de camera in the cardreader on my laptap the same files appear in LR as .DNG files... I don't understand...? Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted November 14, 2010 Share #17 Posted November 14, 2010 When I connect the camera with the USB cable the images appear in LR as .tif files. When I put the SD card from de camera in the cardreader on my laptap the same files appear in LR as .DNG files... I don't understand...? It's a Windows problem, and has been discussed here a few times before. Use the card reader, and as you've discovered the problem disappears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 14, 2010 Share #18 Posted November 14, 2010 Ah.. that figures. Thank you Steve. Add: is this something that can be fixed with some driver or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted November 14, 2010 Share #19 Posted November 14, 2010 Ah.. that figures. Thank you Steve. Add: is this something that can be fixed with some driver or something? No because it's not just a Windows problem. It is a problem with the M8 AND Windows. This does not happen with any other cameras RAW format and or any other cameras USB hardware. Simple buy a card reader for the desktop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted November 14, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 14, 2010 I am pretty sure that someone that knows his/her way around the windows registry could fix this (I don't I find "regedit" a terrifying place to be). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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