jaapv Posted November 23, 2010 Share #521 Posted November 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find the feature of limited use - it messes up manual exposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #522 Posted November 23, 2010 I find the feature of limited use - it messes up manual exposure. also on a M9..? Thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2010 Share #523 Posted November 23, 2010 Yes - it works exactly the same. I only use it with a Visoflex and long lens, or maybe the 135. I set a wide aperture and let the camera handle the ISO. Although the min shutterspeed of 125 is hohum. It is just good enough with a 280 lens. It kills off all possibility of exposure correction though. Fortunately with tele that is less important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #524 Posted November 23, 2010 ok jaap..! ...lets take a situation on a M9: walking in the street, aperture preset at 5.6, and then the shutterspeed at auto, but can you preset min shutterspeed to 1/30 and let auto iso be turned on at max 800. In the open light then perhaps iso will settle down at 200-400 automatically, and perhaps a shutterspeed will auto-set at 1/125...and then you just walk into a café, same aperture, low-light, and the shutterspeed automatically goes down to 1/30 and the iso to 800 in a splitsekund...? or what? (thats must be the whole idea (for me at least)...and that thing should be funktioning) thorkil and will it be the same at the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 23, 2010 Share #525 Posted November 23, 2010 Yes you can do that on the m9, I noticed it and asked specifically because the x1 has a different limitation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #526 Posted November 23, 2010 Okay..thank you Edward.. thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #527 Posted November 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) here are an example of what happens when you have a M6 loaded with a fuji provia 400, comming into a café and se a lovely joyfull girl clapping in her hands, and there is no time for alter or presetting things in a different way, but by the way a point and shoot camera couln't have done it while it doesn't fire at the same instance as your finger instinctly move while I was mooving.. (sorry for the bad scanning and processing..) If it had been a M9 I guess then, that it could have handled it better...but even though you stille can feel the joyfullness (and her partner being a bit offended....) thorkil Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/133001-should-i-take-the-m9-jump/?do=findComment&comment=1511171'>More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #528 Posted November 23, 2010 and just if you wonder why, here is the answer...she was smiling and clapping at him here (just 3 steps inside and turned around and shot)(21mm Elmarit...but its much better on the slide) thorkil Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/133001-should-i-take-the-m9-jump/?do=findComment&comment=1511175'>More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #529 Posted November 23, 2010 same spot, but this time I didn't move.... :-) thorkil NO, NO Clive its not our little non-contest...not yet:p Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/133001-should-i-take-the-m9-jump/?do=findComment&comment=1511190'>More sharing options...
erdnusscn Posted November 24, 2010 Share #530 Posted November 24, 2010 I just jumped in and then soon out of the M9. I am really disappointed by it. Now my sad story: Yesterday I send my M9 back to the shop where i bought it only two days before . And I got my money back. The M9 has dead pixels. They can easily be seen up ISO 400. According to my two-days-lang expriences with the M9. I have to say, it is Not worth the money, The low solution LCD is not reliable. So that i finally turned the "auto playback" off. The JPEGs out of the camera are not useable. Shotting DNG it a Must. And The worst thing for me is definitely the quality of the CCD. I will never buy a M9 again, which i think needs a big improvement. I'll wait for the M10 with better LCD and better CCD or CMOS, if they will be better. Leica (or Kodak ?) sucks in the digital age of photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 24, 2010 Share #531 Posted November 24, 2010 You posted the same story on RFF. It is sad it did not work out for you, but when I read you use JPGs as a touchstone for quality, I suppose it was for the best. I'm sure you'll be happier with your 5D and leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 24, 2010 Share #532 Posted November 24, 2010 One thing that did really stick out as a bad point to me was how bad the screen is on the m9. When I was at the event, new to rangefinder focusing, I really wanted to try and see that I got focus correctly... unfortunately even zooming in that wasn't possible. I was surprised and happy to see that many shots I thought would be oof, were not. Still overall I really like the camera, I just wish Leica would stop using 5 year old electronics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 24, 2010 Share #533 Posted November 24, 2010 I guess everyone ought to know, from reading here and then, that even the M9 is not perfect, and in severel (but unimportent- one soon realize) -areas can't do the same thing as the commen DSLR-gear. But even though my list (on p. 26) perhaps was a little bit of joking, you have to be motivated to have and keep the interest and passion for the M9. Its not a mainstream camera. I dont care about the screen at all, as long as my computer can show the pictures, I care for psysical robustnes and cleaver enginering and quality, and quality sharpnes and glow in the pictures, and the fact to have full control over everything, and that the size is small... thorkil ps. have you been just a little bit impatient (and just return it for repair and give it several weeks/months of use)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 24, 2010 Author Share #534 Posted November 24, 2010 I really wanted to try and see that I got focus correctly... unfortunately even zooming in that wasn't possible. I was surprised and happy to see that many shots I thought would be oof, were not. This one is really beyond me Edward. With the M focusing you see where you focus on real time as you do it. There is no getting around it. Why would you want to check the focus just did yourself, on the LCD? Back on the X1 forum I recall you posting quite a lot of 'I wish', 'why isn't it' 'It should be like' 'this or that is not good' type of post or does memory serve wrong here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erdnusscn Posted November 24, 2010 Share #535 Posted November 24, 2010 You posted the same story on RFF. It is sad it did not work out for you, but when I read you use JPGs as a touchstone for quality, I suppose it was for the best. I'm sure you'll be happier with your 5D and leica lenses. Hi,jaapv. I have been reading threads about M9 on this forum and the RFF for nearly 5 weeks to decide if i should buy a M9 or not. I just think a Camera like M9 should produces better Image even in Jpeg format. I do shot RAWs but not all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 24, 2010 Share #536 Posted November 24, 2010 Well, if we see what a Canon die-hard has to say "better image quality than the 1DsIII""Unique quality sensor" I have a feeling that it is just not the camera for you. The Leica M9 Review (duplicate link of another thread) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 24, 2010 Share #537 Posted November 24, 2010 This one is really beyond me Edward. With the M focusing you see where you focus on real time as you do it. There is no getting around it. Why would you want to check the focus just did yourself, on the LCD? Back on the X1 forum I recall you posting quite a lot of 'I wish', 'why isn't it' 'It should be like' 'this or that is not good' type of post or does memory serve wrong here? Well Richard, in this instance I wanted to check for a few resons. It was my first time using a rangefinder, I found the focus area small and it was new to me. Additionally how could I evaluate if the rf was calibrated on a heavily used and dirty camera. Finally I wwear glasses, and had to do so that day, when using the 28 I wasn't able to see the frqmelines properly. So that should explain it...I had no ability to see if I was going the right way and making sure I wasn't messing up, and had limited time with the m9, during which I wanted to shoot as much as possible. if I could have checked on a computer, that would have been fine..and by the end of the day I had more faith in my focusing. X1 wishes, or it should be? Maybe, or maybe thats how it came across..but not necessarily how I feel. I think there are a couple of things that are not good with the x1, some of them are clearly either laziness or lack of tech prowess from leica. ... Or poor decisions. Examples, fastest min shutter speed capable of being set, 1/30.. Why? No good reason. No third step ev adjustments,why? No good reason. Fluttering aperture, no dng only option, old slow io controller. Add to that my copy having to go back for focusing issues. (not just slow af). On the x1 i take both sides..Leica should fix some things, but I also get it as a camera. You have or should have also seen many posts where I defend the x1. As recent,y as a few days ago even. Considering people complain about the x1 screen, I'm shocked the camera costing 3.5 times as much doesn't even meet that standard. Although I'm sure I would use it a lot less once familiarized more with the m9. The point is for a body only price of $7k one should be able to check focus on the LCD, or color (wb), or simply show others photos. I cant speak to the other gentleman's train of thought but I can say that for the premium created with hand assembly and lack of market competition, the last thing leica should be doing is trying to save a few bucks on parts by using outdated tech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 24, 2010 Share #538 Posted November 24, 2010 Outdated tech? Hmmm. Please name one newer technology 2.5" screen. I too would really like a better screen, but it seems it is simply not on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leebert Posted November 24, 2010 Share #539 Posted November 24, 2010 I just did - M9 in black - 75mm Summarit to follow. I've been out of photography for about 6 years now - my last camera was large format, so I expect a far different experience with the Leica. Suffice to say, I am quite excited. Key question going forward is which WA lense - 21mm, 24mm or 28mm... Thanks to all who have made this a useful source of information to help me make my decision. Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 24, 2010 Share #540 Posted November 24, 2010 If in doubt about a 21 or 28 - get a 24... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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