Ecaton Posted October 15, 2010 Share #221 Posted October 15, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) As I took the M8 back to my dealer, I also got my X1 back. Somehow it doesn't look and feel the same anymore... I told you so. Think what role the X1 should play once you have a digital M. There is no easy answer:p It's neither a complement nor a perfect backup for the M, but rather competition ("do I take the X or the M today?", the former for the lazy, the latter for the ambitious ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 15, 2010 Posted October 15, 2010 Hi Ecaton, Take a look here Should I take the M9 jump!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
johnwolf Posted October 15, 2010 Share #222 Posted October 15, 2010 Clive, It may be worth considering if tilt/shift capability would be of value to you for your artwork. Not sure about Nikon, but Canon will certainly give you excellent wide T/S options. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimver Posted October 15, 2010 Share #223 Posted October 15, 2010 picking up the M8 demo from Pieter next week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 16, 2010 Author Share #224 Posted October 16, 2010 picking up the M8 demo from Pieter next week Should be fun Pim! I'm looking forward to you thoughts and experiences! Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 16, 2010 Share #225 Posted October 16, 2010 I know it is conventional wisdom to say that the 50 mm. most closely resembles human vision, but human vision does not come surrounded by a rectangle. It is a butterfly shape known as a horopter, and the eye constantly scans. It would be more accurate to say that the so-called normal lens most closely resembles renaissance perspective, itself a construct of optical devices, not the human eye. The most versatile lens is the one that any particular photographer can find the most uses for. Different strokes, etc. I have noticed a tendency to wider and wider lenses in reportage. And your friend Lee Friedlander is working brilliantly with the Hassie superwide and is forever buying wider and wider lenses for his Bessa. Yes, Bessa. ...just googled lee friedlander....some wonderfull pictures....some pictures have no age, even though they might look old-fashioned....Hassy SWC?...looking forward to the 21mm on a M9...even though people might look od when placed by the edges...but thats an experiense too, and can be refeshing "anti-normal/anti-conform".. thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 16, 2010 Share #226 Posted October 16, 2010 ...just googled lee friedlander....some wonderfull pictures....some pictures have no age, even though they might look old-fashioned....Hassy SWC?...looking forward to the 21mm on a M9...even though people might look od when placed by the edges...but thats an experiense too, and can be refeshing "anti-normal/anti-conform"..thorkil I think Friedlander was mainly an M/35mm user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimver Posted October 16, 2010 Share #227 Posted October 16, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Should be fun Pim! I'm looking forward to you thoughts and experiences! Richard. I am so excited,only 2 reservations I have, and therefor I tremendously enjoy the opportunity for a testride: I have never been a very good manual focus master, going back to my early Practica and Pentax Spotmatic days I have always been struggling a bit with that, Also I am anxious to find out how the RF works for someone wearing spectacles A few more days and we will know I guess :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted October 16, 2010 Share #228 Posted October 16, 2010 I think Friedlander was mainly an M/35mm user. Early on maybe. but much much wider now. Check your pm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted October 16, 2010 Share #229 Posted October 16, 2010 I think Friedlander was mainly an M/35mm user. In his early 50s, he moved over primarily to the SWC (I hadn't heard about the bessa). Now in his 70s, still shooting, still brilliant. Later, Clyde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted October 19, 2010 Share #230 Posted October 19, 2010 There must be something in Richard's blow by blow account of the road towards a 9 that must be catching. I thought I was planning my approach to the same outcome most responsibly by getting used to rangefinder via a Texas Leica. I've been keeping an eye on eBay au and had I noticed what looked like a very good lightly used M8, "Buy now" at just under $AU4000 with a starting price of 2k. 2 hours before the end there was 1 bid at $2000, so I thought I'd watch it little closer, my hunch was that there would be a pile of people sitting waiting for the last few seconds and the whole auction would arc up, so I joined in and clicked $2400 in the last 3 seconds - I'm now the proud and very surprised owner of an M8 with up-grade..and possibly feel that I've been caught up in some weird herd like activity - thanks to you guys ;-) So now all the practicalities start. len/s crop factor and things to watch out for...........and sell off my Digilux 3 that can probably be blamed for sucking me into Leica in the first place and then leading me into Leica R glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share #231 Posted October 20, 2010 Congrats Clive, that sounds like a good deal! Pls keep us posted on the developments and experiences! Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 20, 2010 Share #232 Posted October 20, 2010 Good luck Clive. Looking forward to see some sculpturel pictures from an M8 soon and some M9 pictures from Richard..! Hope that the Moderator dont put the side away then, while I can slowly understand one is not allowed to post "ordenary" pictures (or what??) in these treads?, which I dont understand, while this would exactly be the thing that would keep these treads alive.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicafe Posted October 20, 2010 Share #233 Posted October 20, 2010 MMMM! How to do this, it's an issue and I am concerned. A close friend of mine in New Zealand and I, both avid Leica Lovers, have serious doubts about the quality and trust worthiness of Leica. An hour ago I was witness to this very upset friend. He had just received a brand new M9. He is a Leica man through and through, he has books on photography published, Leica photography. His brand new Leica, straight out of the box doesn't work. My brand new Leica M9 has now gone back to germany twice, the first time the sensor was totally replaced, back came the camera, same issue, blank frames. My M8 needed to go back to the factory when i first received it, the light meter was not working. And so I pose the question, is Leica to be trusted as a brand. At present I am using a loaner which is not the same as my own camera but I am grateful that I was given a loaner. My friend has come close tonight to finishing his leica relationship and I can but sympathise as I was the one who pushed him to the M9, he has an M8 which needs work but he is prepared to accept that for now. I am going to be very interested when my M9 returns. Last time leica included a note that sounded as though it were my fault, clean the sensor they said. Then if that was all it was why did they replace it? This is a great company with a great heritage and I am a very brand loyal person, always have been. However, for the Rolls Royce of cameras we expect better. Any thoughts, R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted October 20, 2010 Share #234 Posted October 20, 2010 Richard, still "close to a decision"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 20, 2010 Share #235 Posted October 20, 2010 MMMM! How to do this, it's an issue and I am concerned. A close friend of mine in New Zealand and I, both avid Leica Lovers, have serious doubts about the quality and trust worthiness of Leica. An hour ago I was witness to this very upset friend. He had just received a brand new M9. He is a Leica man through and through, he has books on photography published, Leica photography. His brand new Leica, straight out of the box doesn't work. My brand new Leica M9 has now gone back to germany twice, the first time the sensor was totally replaced, back came the camera, same issue, blank frames. My M8 needed to go back to the factory when i first received it, the light meter was not working. And so I pose the question, is Leica to be trusted as a brand. At present I am using a loaner which is not the same as my own camera but I am grateful that I was given a loaner. My friend has come close tonight to finishing his leica relationship and I can but sympathise as I was the one who pushed him to the M9, he has an M8 which needs work but he is prepared to accept that for now. I am going to be very interested when my M9 returns. Last time leica included a note that sounded as though it were my fault, clean the sensor they said. Then if that was all it was why did they replace it? This is a great company with a great heritage and I am a very brand loyal person, always have been. However, for the Rolls Royce of cameras we expect better. Any thoughts, R. That sounds as if Leica could do with some hefty tightening up their qulity control...!!! What a shame if it is more than just 1-5 in a 1000. Then Walter De Silva have to give more advices than just design... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted October 20, 2010 Share #236 Posted October 20, 2010 This thread reminds me of the old saying "it is better to travel hopefully than to arrive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted October 20, 2010 Share #237 Posted October 20, 2010 Now the task of selecting the first lens for it! my guess that should be a 35, close to 50 equiv, so little wide-angle distortion of form, chipped? Asph pre-asph, my brain says 35 cron as no real need to go much faster. This is a very recent sculpture taken with an R Elmarit 35 on Olympus E-3 and is typical of what I often need to do - blur out the mess in the studio, many of the sculptures are too heavy to move. Once I get the hang of the 8 and get a lens I'll be happy to show the results. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/133001-should-i-take-the-m9-jump/?do=findComment&comment=1478110'>More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted October 21, 2010 Share #238 Posted October 21, 2010 Nice sculpture Clive..!!! (is it a bit compressed in the width?) thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted October 21, 2010 Share #239 Posted October 21, 2010 No I made it that way! but I'd kind of call myself a post photoshop sculptor! ;-) but can you advise me on lenses? Old or new - let me say, that what I try to do with my photography is communicate what I think you should see in the sculpture and to a certain degree I think I succeed, meaning that someone as far away from me here in Australia as you are, can pick up from my picture the feeling I'm trying to get. I don't do the highly objective product picture that you usually see but try to sweeze some of the feeling into the snaps. Of course my view is that the experience of sculpture itself is a lot more interesting than the photo of it. But I keep trying hence, the M8 or Leica M because of legendary selective focus and 3D modelling. If we put the problems of a sculptor these days into perspective 90% of people make up their mind wether a sculpture is worth actually looking at down to their reaction to a photo of it. I take that quite seriously. And as I know more about what I want to show people than anybody else then I probably have to take the right pictures. I chose that picture to point you in the direction of lens advice. Since this fantastic thread came from someone in the Netherlands it is strangely circular in that the model is a young woman who lives in the Hague who I met while she was a resident writer here where I live. Thanks for your comment - Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted October 21, 2010 Share #240 Posted October 21, 2010 Great work, thx for presenting your sculpture here ! Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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