Clive Murray-White Posted November 23, 2010 Share #501 Posted November 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) ThorkilB: I've been to Copenhagen, when I was young and impetuous my "first" girlfriend came from Malmo in Sweden, so I hitch-hiked from England where I was at art school and obviously had to go through Denmark to get there - I had a great time in a town called Roskilde at the Youth Hostel there, very hospitable, and then took the boat from Esbjerg back to UK - I hope my memory is right. Cool - zone focus it is - Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichardM8 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share #502 Posted November 23, 2010 Edward....jump right on to the M9, if you got the money, and don't need a new car or refrigerator right away, and it dont meens starving....we other "poor" guys just looking at the M8 ..to prevent starving... Having the money might not be a good sole reason to go for an M9 Thorkil. I had and have the money but I decided not to go for the M9 but for a mint s/h M8.2 instead (as you all know). As I've stated earlier in this thread, I couldn't 'sell myself' the huge investment that comes with an M9 just now. I'm new to the whole M thing. I want to learn working with an M and see if it continues to fascinate, inspire and satisfy on the long term(er) as it does now in the honeymoon period. For this purpose the M8x is just as good as the M9 and, contrary to the common opinion/belief/wish, extremely close to the M9 IQ wise, with identical but fewer pixels. I could very well be that within a year or two I try to sell my M8 screaming from frustration and running to my dealer for the latest'n greatest SLR battleship. Or I'm still - or even more - in love with the M and I'll upgrade to a new M body. This route felt better to me. Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted November 23, 2010 Share #503 Posted November 23, 2010 And which dance may that be Nicole? ps I like the line about about old bat and leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2010 Share #504 Posted November 23, 2010 Identical pixel size and CCD, yes, but different red-green balance and microlenses - it makes a difference, more than I thought initially. The full frame, again contrary to my earlier opinion, makes a difference to the way lenses render. And yes, pixel numbers count, even at smaller prints. The M8 is very good, the M9 visibly better (as it should be...) . For this purpose the M8x is just as good as the M9 and, contrary to the common opinion/belief/wish, extremely close to the M9 IQ wise, with identical but fewer pixels. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share #505 Posted November 23, 2010 Identical pixel size and CCD, yes, but different red-green balance and microlenses - Only at the outer area/edges of the CCD Jaap. To solve the increased vignetting and color shift from the larger FF sensor. The different - not always better - behaviour and drawing of the lenses on FF is true. I can't value or judge the importance/weight/value of this myself. I simply don't know. For me this was not a big point. I'm only talking hobby here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2010 Share #506 Posted November 23, 2010 Oh yes - I think you took the right decision for your purpose, certainly - but I give you three years with the M8 at most - whether it will be an M9.2 or M10 by then I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted November 23, 2010 Share #507 Posted November 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) And which dance may that be Nicole? ps I like the line about about old bat and leica. It's from the Mock Turtle's song from Alice in Wonderland. Sometimes I think that threads in the forum could easily be mistaken for a Lewis Carroll story. “Will you walk a little faster?” said a whiting to a snail, “There’s a porpoise close behind us, and he’s treading on my tail. See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance! They are waiting on the shingle—will you come and join the dance? Will you, won’t you, will you, won’t you, will you join the dance? Will you, won’t you, will you, won’t you, won’t you join the dance? “You can really have no notion how delightful it will be When they take us up and throw us, with the lobsters, out to sea!" But the snail replied, “Too far, too far!” and gave a look askance— Said he thanked the whiting kindly, but he would not join the dance. Would not, could not, would not, could not, would not join the dance. Would not, could not, would not, could not, could not join the dance. “What matters it how far we go?” his scaly friend replied. “There is another shore, you know, upon the other side. The further off from England the nearer is to France— Then turn not pale, beloved snail, but come and join the dance. Will you, won’t you, will you, won’t you, will you join the dance? Will you, won’t you, will you, won’t you, won’t you join the dance?” Here's a link to a more complete text of this section of the book. Alice in Wonderland - The Mock Turtle’s Story (by Lewis Carroll) The song is on the following page. After reading, you may draw your own conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLM Posted November 23, 2010 Share #508 Posted November 23, 2010 @jaapv Hi you spoke about M9.2. Do you mean it will coming soon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 23, 2010 Share #509 Posted November 23, 2010 I haven't got the foggiest idea. M4-2 M4-P M6TTL M8.2 Never in Leica history have these minor model changes held any interest for current owners. I doubt that a hypothetical M9.2 will be different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted November 23, 2010 Share #510 Posted November 23, 2010 Thank you Nicole, so quick too. Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLM Posted November 23, 2010 Share #511 Posted November 23, 2010 Thank you. I'm in the same situation as Richard... I had an M9 with Summarit 50 for the week end. I had a lot of fun. On time an otehr way to make fotography. Just 80 fotos in 2 days, but a lot of very nice... I liked very much the symplicity... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted November 23, 2010 Share #512 Posted November 23, 2010 Oh yes - I think you took the right decision for your purpose, certainly - but I give you three years with the M8 at most - whether it will be an M9.2 or M10 by then I don't know. Two years at most is my educated guess; responsibly based on trackrecord, expenditure, a little gazing at the stars ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongrelnomad Posted November 23, 2010 Share #513 Posted November 23, 2010 Sorry to say, but the difference between the M9 and X1 is nothing to do with construction quality or sensor size or even image quality. It is, instead, about the difference between mechanical and electronic photography. Actually, that's the difference between the M9 and every other digital camera in existence. My advice: if the thought of a camera that puts everything at your direct disposal appeals to you (and expects you to take responsibility for every mistake as well as credit for every success), then the M9 is your camera. The learning-curve is steep, but only you can decide whether it's worth the uphill trudge. If not, the X1 is very close to the best camera for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share #514 Posted November 23, 2010 Oh yes - I think you took the right decision for your purpose, certainly - but I give you three years with the M8 at most - whether it will be an M9.2 or M10 by then I don't know. Where can I sign for that?!?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #515 Posted November 23, 2010 You are right on Clive..! Malmoe is on the right, Roskilde in the middle (so and so..) and Esbjerg at the left, and England even more left:). For me, I guess, Richard its solely about the money. I think I have had the M6 for about 15 years, and as I mentioned I'm still in love with it, so I am sure and certain, its just to avoid starving..., and I not very sure about the colors, and I think you are able to make them some M9-like. But I think Jaap is right on the colors for what one can see around, and my 21 would be a 21mm and for print, I think I could be able to make A2-print. But for the newbee's I think its a mental way: 1. you have to have or had a good Nikon (Canon might do also...) 2. then you have to have a Hasselblad (just film can do it, for its only matter of short time;)) 3. and you also have to have a lot of different point and shoot cameras.. 4. then...and not at least you have to grow old, perhaps about 40-45-50-55 or so...why: 4a. Because first then you are able to forsake the big DSLR-punch ambition, and realize thats its not a sword or a car...and by that time you just realize that its not a matter of the bulkier the better, its not a matter og auto-auto-auto that and then...its a matter of forsaken and finding out by that you then get even more...and you even then appreciate to be almost invisble..and even grow to like the idea just to look as an helpless amateur that just can't help it.... 5. by that time you have grow up (and allmost feel zen-like, and now realize that life just is a matter of mental and psysical quality (if you are not starving..) 6. Then you can buy you a M9 (and then you will keep it till you die..) 7. Then you can sell all the others gear ....its just so simple... Thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share #516 Posted November 23, 2010 ....its just so simple... So?... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #517 Posted November 23, 2010 So?... So...its just a matter (for me solely...) to get myself together to sell the D3 and one of the hassy's....and then buy the M9 or a M8.2 (the long-going crises you know). So far as I can see a M8 doesn't have auto-iso when yoe set the shutter-time or what, is it only the M8.2? Thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share #518 Posted November 23, 2010 So far as I can see a M8 doesn't have auto-iso when yoe set the shutter-time or what, is it only the M8.2? I'm not sure but I know the 8.2 has it. Not that I'd ever use it but ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted November 23, 2010 Share #519 Posted November 23, 2010 So far as I can see a M8 doesn't have auto-iso when yoe set the shutter-time or what, is it only the M8.2?Thorkil The M8 has auto-iso too. It does not have 'S' (Snapshot) mode though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #520 Posted November 23, 2010 The M8 has auto-iso too. It does not have 'S' (Snapshot) mode though. Ok thank you nicole...and you can set it to a decided maximum? thorkil ps. and should I go for the temperary solution, M8, I have to live without the snapshot:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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