ThorkilB Posted November 21, 2010 Share #481 Posted November 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Mike...I also have to take it easy moneywise... the thought was that I and were using our Nikon D3/D700's, Richard and Clive their M8/8.2 and there could be f.ex. 2 others with M9's (who would join ???) for this little and short and totally unscientific comparison. 3 shots: 1. cafélife (or a coffedesk at the local gasstation) 2. street (hip-shot) (for clive it was perhaps a gasstation) 3. inner-city (just the nearest) (for clive something that destillated hes surroundings, to prevent 2 hours drive) and the "rules": - shooting in raw/DNG - simpel converting to JPEG-files in C1, Lightroom, CaptureNX-2, or? - no processing except the exposure-slider, only to give more or less light, no more - no corrections for wide lenses etc. Thorkil ps yes its nice, but there are places even nicer than Nyhavn... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeD700 Posted November 21, 2010 Share #482 Posted November 21, 2010 Mike...I also have to take it easy moneywise... the thought was that I and were using our Nikon D3/D700's, Richard and Clive their M8/8.2 and there could be f.ex. 2 others with M9's (who would join ???) for this little and short and totally unscientific comparison.3 shots: 1. cafélife (or a coffedesk at the local gasstation) 2. street (hip-shot) (for clive it was perhaps a gasstation) 3. inner-city (just the nearest) (for clive something that destillated hes surroundings, to prevent 2 hours drive) and the "rules": - shooting in raw/DNG - simpel converting to JPEG-files in C1, Lightroom, CaptureNX-2, or? - no processing except the exposure-slider, only to give more or less light, no more - no corrections for wide lenses etc. Thorkil ps yes its nice, but there are places even nicer than Nyhavn... Thorkil, that sounds like a great idea! I'll chew on it for a while. Up till now two things stood in the way of me posting pics here: I don't have a Leica (anymore), and the Jpegs I export from LR are too big. Maybe you can help me there. What are the better places in Copenhagen? Is that small restaurant near the harbour still there? It's been over ten years since I was there (for business); Cederholm & Voss, Kurt Thorsen... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 21, 2010 Share #483 Posted November 21, 2010 Hi Strobist - join the club - I think anyone in the world comtemplating Leica M Digital is going to stumble across this thread, believe me it can be quite addictive, many of us are now cheerful new owners, so I guess the thread will evolve into "how to make the most of our Ms" Somewhere back in the dim distant past RichardX1 OP mentioned Sean Reid's "Reid's Reviews" its a subscription site but very worth the $35 odd, Leica digital M's, their lenses and most of what you really want to know is there - he also de-mystifies it all very well. all the best - Clive Sorry to derail further but I see constant recommendations for reid's site. I paid the money joined up, and couldn't recommend it. It's difficult to read from a layout pov, slow as heck with his choice of flash presentation, and the content to me is surpassed by other free sites, particularly Steve huff and luminous landscape. I don't feel particularly that reid's site offers anything that isn't already around. For example, his demystifying of the x1 was how to zone focus. I also think steves example shots are far more beneficial, particularly for those wishing to shoot color. Just an alternate opinion, to each their own...and yes, I know that saying anything negative about sr site is heresy around here, but I think opposing viewpoints are a good thing, and this thread is full of them anyway! If you want to see a ton of examples for lenses on m systems, hit fredmiranda's alternative gear forum and browse the 90 page thread about m8, m9, x1 images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted November 21, 2010 Share #484 Posted November 21, 2010 Hi Clive!Thats a nice picture from your forest. I like the colors, or rather the lack of it. But did you do some post processing? Sharp and intense and a bit good weird mood over it in a strange sculptures way. One could think there was used some HDR Then I have to come out of the house in the following week, I guess , and go to the beloved inner part of Copenhagen and if I can take some nothing-special pictures with that bulky D3, and see the frightened people run-away:).. Thorkil (ps...and later I hope we can persuade some others with an M9 to participate (and perhaps mike and Richard)) Hi ThorkilB. I'm new to both the M8 and Lightroom3, The picture I posted literally came out of the camera like that, in Library - the histogram was a gentle and symmetrical curve.I think I clicked the "auto" tone button but nothing happened - I went to "develop" played with a few sliders to see how they would effect it all seemed to steal something from the picture rather than enhance it. Once converted to jpeg I opened it in PS to make a small copy for posting - story already told - made the copy I posted: Life in Cowwarr - Clive Murray-White Australian Sculptor | SmugMug With my previous camera whenever I was going to post a small picture I'd sharpen it a liitle bit to compensate for the size drop, so habit had me doing the same thing to this one. This picture looked rediculous with extra sharpening so its not even sharpened for the web. So no post processing - I guess I accidentally stumbled on a photographic situation that my M8 combo really enjoys, heaps of competing textures and thousands of small tone/colour differences. HDR - me never, I don't even like it. Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 22, 2010 Share #485 Posted November 22, 2010 Hi Clive and Mike Clive: that sounds nice, then I think its a good picture, and I think the M8 here shows an edge over the D3 in way to render things and details, tones and presence in the picture. (me too: new in the processing-computer-buisines...)When I got my D3, when it was new on the marked, first I got shocked over the bulk, then I got dissapointed over the missing glow in the pictures. No I don't like any HDR either, get that totally unnatural feeling, then better dark areas and blown away lightnings... Mike, do that, but join, and persuade Richard too. Would like to see the zeis on the D700. I just convert in capture One, and can easily dicide heigh and width, but it dont fit correctly to this site, so I guess you will have to try some times to get it fit. Kurt Thorsen is sometimes in jail....(at least one time..) so even though he looks very friendly..things do not follow the book correctly all the times for him, I think... On the end of Nyhavn we now got a "play-house" just out to the harbour, but there is a long list of nice places...Christianshavn etc., if you go there...I'll make a list Steve Huffs site is nice with its unconventially and its straight out of the box approach, but I think he is overdoing his pictures most of the time...and reid is writing some informative things about the M8 etc. Thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted November 22, 2010 Share #486 Posted November 22, 2010 Hi Clive and MikeClive: that sounds nice, then I think its a good picture, and I think the M8 here shows an edge over the D3 in way to render things and details, tones and presence in the picture. (me too: new in the processing-computer-buisines...)When I got my D3, when it was new on the marked, first I got shocked over the bulk, then I got dissapointed over the missing glow in the pictures. No I don't like any HDR either, get that totally unnatural feeling, then better dark areas and blown away lightnings... Mike, do that, but join, and persuade Richard too. Would like to see the zeis on the D700. I just convert in capture One, and can easily dicide heigh and width, but it dont fit correctly to this site, so I guess you will have to try some times to get it fit. Kurt Thorsen is sometimes in jail....(at least one time..) so even though he looks very friendly..things do not follow the book correctly all the times for him, I think... On the end of Nyhavn we now got a "play-house" just out to the harbour, but there is a long list of nice places...Christianshavn etc., if you go there...I'll make a list Steve Huffs site is nice with its unconventially and its straight out of the box approach, but I think he is overdoing his pictures most of the time...and reid is writing some informative things about the M8 etc. Thorkil Richard will answer for himself. PM him if he's slow in reacting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2010 Share #487 Posted November 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just convert in capture One, and can easily dicide heigh and width, but it dont fit correctly to this site, so I guess you will have to try some times to get it fit. Thorkil Thorkil - that is really not enough. C1 is a great RAW converter and has some useful extras like curves, levels and (pro) color controls, but it is not an editing program. Therefore you must export your C1 output to Lightroom, Photoshop ( Elements) etc to prepare your images for printing, computer viewing, web publishing, whatever. You are just halfway there and losing most of the quality potential of your cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 22, 2010 Share #488 Posted November 22, 2010 Ok Jaap! On page 23 my pictures were only done in the small edition of C1 (but didn't have the patience to get the right size). Guess thats why Michael Rheichmann from luminous Landscape made a tutorial about RAW-converting in C1, import them to Lightroom, and do the processing here. But for the little non-contest-non-ambitious "contest"...1. cafélife...etc... that must do. Later on I then will bye Lightroom....thanks... thorkil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2010 Share #489 Posted November 22, 2010 I doubt that that convoluted workflow is neccesary with LR3. Just import them directly there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 22, 2010 Share #490 Posted November 22, 2010 I will try that..in a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted November 22, 2010 Share #491 Posted November 22, 2010 Edward - This is the guy that got me sucked into Leica THORSTEN OVERGAARD official homepage - Danish feature writer and photographer - Portr. Personally I don't think its Huff or Reid or Rockwell or any one of the forums, but mix and match to suit what ever I might be looking for on a given day. Ken Rockwell is completely over the top quite often but that's his style, Huff is homey neither of these 2 seem to take pictures that make you sit up and say "I need that lens etc". Reid's pictures have a nice sense of honesty, everything on the site is conservative and feels responsible, I find his lens tests almost Monty Python-esque, and very funny - though I'm sure he doesn't mean to be amusing. Overgaard is very obviously a very good pro photographer which actually is actually a slight disadvantage because you find yourself thinking that it is his ability that you are looking at instead of the equipment that you are thinking of buying. Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted November 22, 2010 Share #492 Posted November 22, 2010 Edward - This is the guy that got me sucked into Leica THORSTEN OVERGAARD official homepage - Danish feature writer and photographer - Portr. Personally I don't think its Huff or Reid or Rockwell or any one of the forums, but mix and match to suit what ever I might be looking for on a given day. Ken Rockwell is completely over the top quite often but that's his style, Huff is homey neither of these 2 seem to take pictures that make you sit up and say "I need that lens etc". Reid's pictures have a nice sense of honesty, everything on the site is conservative and feels responsible, I find his lens tests almost Monty Python-esque, and very funny - though I'm sure he doesn't mean to be amusing. Overgaard is very obviously a very good pro photographer which actually is actually a slight disadvantage because you find yourself thinking that it is his ability that you are looking at instead of the equipment that you are thinking of buying. Clive +1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 22, 2010 Share #493 Posted November 22, 2010 I can't disagree that overgaard is great. Maybe the most down to earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted November 22, 2010 Share #494 Posted November 22, 2010 ThorkilB - RE: 2. street (hip-shot) - Is the idea of this one to see how we go, a) zone focusing, or to point out the difference between a purely manual focus camera and ones with auto-focus? I think zone focus would be more "fun" particularly if some of us had never really practiced it before!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted November 23, 2010 Author Share #495 Posted November 23, 2010 Clive, I agree with most of your view on the mentioned reviewers except Sean Reid. I find his camera and lens testing to be excellent. IMO a lens test from Reid tells you more about a lens than any other I know. Although from a different angle, I think Michael Reichmann from the Luminous Landscape does quite some useful reviews too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted November 23, 2010 Share #496 Posted November 23, 2010 Richard, I was he one who didn't think Reid reviews was worth it, Clive recommended it and as stated before, to each their own! I'm liking your shots with the m8, I'm trying to decide if I am going m8, m9, or neither best not start another thread asking if I should make the jump. Heh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Murray-White Posted November 23, 2010 Share #497 Posted November 23, 2010 No Edward, don't start another thread this has become the world's No: 1 "do I or don't I" M8 M9 maybe X1 or even Fuji X100 discussion. By the time it finally takes its last breath all the info will be in one place. What might you be considering "jumping from" ? I actually kept a foot in both camps my Olympus E-3 does a whole pile of things that M8/9 couldn't but what the M8 does really well the E-3 couldn't come close to, the real problem now, just as freind of mine said, also M8 owner, "it just makes you LUST after M9". I'm saying I'm going to be responsible (:-)!! get good lenses first and maybe............get M9 when finances make it less painful - the trouble with being an artist is that any sculpture sale just about burns holes in my pockets. Better I reckon than buying new cars. Re: Reid - I believe you but I think I'm one of those people who sees a picture and goes "Wow what took that" I think I'm more interested in things doing what they do best rather than finding what they can't do very well. Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #498 Posted November 23, 2010 hi Clive Yes the idea was to preset everything, which is the strenght of an M (just ISO to auto), just walking without looking through the camera, and shoot. I have only tried it with my M6, decided on 3 meter or so an then just be patient to the persons are that close. Funny experience. Or anything else, just without looking throught and adjusting. And of course its easyer with the wide lens I use cause of the great dof. Could perhaps presend one hipshot from my M6(shot from the belly while walking), but badly scanned at the local store Tried to convert in Capture One to 20 cm width and about 286kB, lets see if...and appearently somethings gets lost in my conversion I can see(perhaps jaap got a point..), and too smalll size....anyway, going out thorkil Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/133001-should-i-take-the-m9-jump/?do=findComment&comment=1510524'>More sharing options...
ThorkilB Posted November 23, 2010 Share #499 Posted November 23, 2010 Richard, I was he one who didn't think Reid reviews was worth it, Clive recommended it and as stated before, to each their own! I'm liking your shots with the m8, I'm trying to decide if I am going m8, m9, or neither best not start another thread asking if I should make the jump. Heh. Edward....jump right on to the M9, if you got the money, and don't need a new car or refrigerator right away, and it dont meens starving....we other "poor" guys just looking at the M8 ..to prevent starving... thorkil PS. Clive I think it will be late in this week before I can go to Copenhagen (should perhaps some day take some shots of some city sculptures made from an old famous danish sculturer...in another part of the city) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted November 23, 2010 Share #500 Posted November 23, 2010 I'm trying to decide if I am going m8, m9, or neither best not start another thread asking if I should make the jump. Heh. All we need now is for the mock turtle to become a member of the forum. Will you, won't you, will you, won't you, won't you join the dance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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