Will X1 Values Plummet When Leica Releases New EVIL Camera?

[andybarton]

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Perhaps both of you would like to step away from the keyboard and calm down for a bit? There's no need to shout at each other. Thanks.

[anupmc]

...In October they will release the second firmware upgrade to address the issues customers have complained about. Where is the X1 new firmware over a year later? I have seen plenty of customer wish list threads and also the requests of respected reviewers like Sean Reid and NOTHING from Leica but silence.

 

When it comes to Firmware, speed is by no means a measure of quality. Two updates from Sony doesn't mean very much (other than perhaps they had alot to fix ).

 

As an X1 user, I see no immediate need for a firmware upgrade. Whatever quirks the camera has, can be worked around quite simply.

 

Personally, I prefer Leica to take it's time with any X1 firmware upgrade (there's little to gain from a firmware upgrade that has the potential of breaking something else).

[Ecaton]

Go to getdpi and Ricoh's forum on dp to read how barjohn started to bash the Ricoh GXR and Sony NEX, two cameras he could not praise enough when he sang the X1's inferiority songs. And he announced to order the Fuji X100. Come late Summer 2011, we will see him bashing the Fuji for lack of versatility, size, battery life with evf, and others........:rolleyes:

[andybarton]

The firmware is being updated

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-x1-forum/142319-x1-firmware-being-updated.html

[Guest stnami]

The desperate need for some to own a leica will ensure the X1 pricing to remain stable........ it is a leica and to some that is all that matters

[phancj]

Since the thread has digressed to the Fuji, the fair question is to me about the NEX? Huh? If you really want to know about the NEX I would be pleased to share my opinion on it but I somehow don't think you have any real interest. But since you asked, In terms of what is available today it is the most modern and best small camera with APS-C sensor. Sony is showing themselves to be far more responsive to customer feedback than Leica which is a shame on Leica. In October they will release the second firmware upgrade to address the issues customers have complained about. Where is the X1 new firmware over a year later? I have seen plenty of customer wish list threads and also the requests of respected reviewers like Sean Reid and NOTHING from Leica but silence.

 

 

Sorry but many here will not agree with the nex being the best aps-c tiny cam for sure, with atrocious lenses to boot. The fuji is not available yet. Meanwhile the X1 is superb for many of us, so thank you.

 

If the price plummet so be it, if not thats good too. I'd be hard-pressed to find ANY electronic products where the prices dont fall in some way.

 

Meanwhile, the deafening question that plagues many here is, after over a thousand posts in this forum, what have you achieved with your incessant ranting? What is the purpose of it? Isnt there another forum like the nex or the fuji?

 

You do not contribute anything of value here other than pointless regurgitation, and an insecurity with the wildest claims that baffle the imagination, like iso 6400 that resembles iso 400. It's these things that totally obliterate any credibility you have here.

 

A year later, what do you hope to achieve with your slamming?

 

That is the question that begs to be answered. Actually I think it is good that threads like this particular one get closed so pp like your goodself leave with it. I am thankful the photo forums stay open for useful critique, and it is there where great photos taken with Leica cameras get seen, evaluated and appreciated, without useless ranting from the likes of you to destroy the nice ambience. Post some nice photos in the nex forum, send us the links for us to appreciate, and face critique in a fair arena. If you want, I can point you to some photo threads I started and you are free to browse and critique. IQ is the sole determinant, your ranting does not in any way change that, which is why your efforts whatever the motivation becomes downright annoying.

 

Like I said, the camera marketing departments are doing their job, and Leica is trying to produce good cameras for their market. You as a consumer like me simply decide what is best for yourself, do not profess to tell others what to buy or use.

 

We can read brochures, mtf charts, etc,etc even if you do not exist, especially when your posts always smack of some agenda. Many who criticized the X1 have been lauded as having something useful to contribute (largely users), yours are all irrelevant or regurgitated poop.

[Ecaton]

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The desperate need for some to own a leica will ensure the X1 pricing to remain stable........ it is a leica and to some that is all that matters

 

So if you were in the market for a "as small (size and weight) as possible with IQ as good as possible" digital camera, what would your choice be?

[phancj]

Go to getdpi and Ricoh's forum on dp to read how barjohn started to bash the Ricoh GXR and Sony NEX, two cameras he could not praise enough when he sang the X1's inferiority songs. And he announced to order the Fuji X100. Come late Summer 2011, we will see him bashing the Fuji for lack of versatility, size, battery life with evf, and others........:rolleyes:

 

The shroud of mystery is clearing.......wooooooo......

[Guest stnami]

So if you were in the market for a "as small (size and weight) as possible with IQ as good as possible" digital camera, what would your choice be?

I am in the market but it seems that one has to buy several to make up one........

 

*The Sigma DP1s superb for landscapes at low iso as long as you can control the greens. Also fantastic bnw conversions

 

*X1 by far the best sensor/lens combination

 

*Olympus EP-2 the best looking jpegs out of any of the small cameras

 

* Ricoh GXR the 50mm was a disappointment dunno about the 28mm, files a bit stodgy

 

* GF1 the fastest out of the bunch crappy jpegs

 

* Sony nex would wait until series 2. a bit dense in colour no life in the images at present

 

* According to a mate the Fuji will dance .............. but one could be disappointed with the colour rendition it may be a acquired taste

 

 

Take a pick.....

 

 

......... Me well dunno on a extended trip say the Asia... a DP1S, a X1 and a pany with a 20mm and a small contax or similiar ......... probably the X1 would be replaced with the Fuji as it will be pretty robust, but need to see the colour

 

Despite the need for sreveral small cameras a lot more fun than a DSLR and a lot more versatility than a rangefinder ( a personal preference)

[phancj]

Since the thread has digressed to the Fuji, the fair question is to me about the NEX? Huh? If you really want to know about the NEX I would be pleased to share my opinion on it but I somehow don't think you have any real interest. But since you asked, In terms of what is available today it is the most modern and best small camera with APS-C sensor. Sony is showing themselves to be far more responsive to customer feedback than Leica which is a shame on Leica. In October they will release the second firmware upgrade to address the issues customers have complained about. Where is the X1 new firmware over a year later? I have seen plenty of customer wish list threads and also the requests of respected reviewers like Sean Reid and NOTHING from Leica but silence.

 

I wouldnt use a nex with 10 firmware upgrades with those atrocious E-mount lenses right now. Meanwhile the X1 functions nicely out of the box with no need for urgent firmware upgrades, of course any is welcome.

 

To me, IQ is sole determinant, like many who use the X1. I buy a camera to take nice pictures, the X1 does it squarely and beautifully. NEx users' emphasis may be the firmware upgrades, tilt screen , panorama, etc etc. even though the lens (arguably most important part) sucks. To each his own.

[Ecaton]

I am in the market but it seems that one has to buy several to make up one........

 

*The Sigma DP1s superb for landscapes at low iso as long as you can control the greens. Also fantastic bnw conversions

 

*X1 by far the best sensor/lens combination

 

*Olympus EP-2 the best looking jpegs out of any of the small cameras

 

* Ricoh GXR the 50mm was a disappointment dunno about the 28mm, files a bit stodgy

 

* GF1 the fastest out of the bunch crappy jpegs

 

* Sony nex would wait until series 2. a bit dense in colour no life in the images at present

 

* According to a mate the Fuji will dance .............. but one could be disappointed with the

colour rendition it may be a acquired taste

 

Take a pick.....

 

 

......... Me well dunno on a extended trip say the Asia... a DP1S, a X1 and a pany with a 20mm and a small contax or similiar ......... probably the X1 would be replaced with the Fuji as it will be pretty robust, but need to see the colour

 

Despite the need for sreveral small cameras a lot more fun than a DSLR and a lot more versatility than a rangefinder ( a personal preference)

 

This sums it up nicely. Bought, tried and sold them all but the Dp1 and the X1, which are keepers. Might keep the NEX for versatility.

The X1 is the best of the group, but could be better. Some improvements should be possible via firmware.

The DP1's output can be fantastic, compensating for the camera's warts.

The others, ok, forgotten tomorrow.

Not much reaction on this forum to the new 46mp foveon sensor. DP3 - a bonsai size mf quality camera?

[phancj]

This sums it up nicely. Bought, tried and sold them all but the Dp1 and the X1, which are keepers. Might keep the NEX for versatility.

The X1 is the best of the group, but could be better. Some improvements should be possible via firmware.

The DP1's output can be fantastic, compensating for the camera's warts.

The others, ok, forgotten tomorrow.

Not much reaction on this forum to the new 46mp foveon sensor. DP3 - a bonsai size mf quality camera?

 

I toyed with the DP2s, images had vivd colors and good IQ but felt the files were too small so not much room for extensive PP if required.

 

DP3 has 46mp that equates to 15 plus mp then maybe more promising.

[RichardM8]

This sums it up nicely.

 

Indeed it does. + 1

 

 

Except that the Fuji is a big question mark, nothing more. But if Fuji's track record for IQ is anything to go by...

[Guest stnami]

I have an chance to buy a DP1S for a sum of 200US maybe a worthwhile investment.

The DP1S files are actually quite robust and can be worked in earnest much the same as the old m8 files had a lot of leeway especially in extracting hidden details within the mid to dark ends the tonal ranges. When processed properly the colour files can take on a "autochrome" feel about them creating a richness in hue graduations.

 

Sigma has a weird track record even back to the old film days

 

Ps I don't own any of these small cameras but get to use them a fair bit..... students with money what a blessing

[phancj]

Seems like Leica isnt the only one touting "special editions" with no improvement in actual functionality. Look at their photokina "launch" of nex 3 & 5 in different colors.

[stunsworth]

I have an chance to buy a DP1S for a sum of 200US maybe a worthwhile investment.

 

At that price buy it.

 

There's a lot of 'shiny new toy' syndrome here where the latest model released is the only one to buy. Look at the Sony, one day it's the best thing since sliced bread, then the Fuji is announced and it's yesterday's toy. All it would take would be for say Nikon to release a camera similar to the Fuji but with interchangeable lenses and the Fuji too would be forgotten.

[jsrockit]

Wow, another sweeping statement of tsunami like proportions!

 

Art is in your head, not in the camera you use..

 

 

I think he meant the X1's design is art, not that you'll make better art simply because you own an X1.

[jsrockit]

At that price buy it.

 

There's a lot of 'shiny new toy' syndrome here where the latest model released is the only one to buy. Look at the Sony, one day it's the best thing since sliced bread, then the Fuji is announced and it's yesterday's toy. All it would take would be for say Nikon to release a camera similar to the Fuji but with interchangeable lenses and the Fuji too would be forgotten.

 

Well, I think the excitement is based on the fact that nobody is making the camera that Fuji is (and Nikon won't) and many of us have been hoping for a digital Hexar / G1 - G2 type of camera to come along.

[JanCderidder]

Well, I think the excitement is based on the fact that nobody is making the camera that Fuji is (and Nikon won't) and many of us have been hoping for a digital Hexar / G1 - G2 type of camera to come along.

 

Fuji isn't making this camera yet, there are at least two version at the photofair thingie, the camera is due to launch in 6 months from now .... as I mentioned before; on paper I could make my auntie Marge look very interesting, ... all until you meet her in person!!!

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[phancj]

Has it occurred to everyone here that the market may be so extremely niche that we are a very small minority that want extreme good IQ in a tiny package.

 

The rest will either go for dslr, or p&s, the middle ground is represented by mft or nex.

 

Something like the X1 is too "serious" a compact camera, and too expensive for most to swallow.

 

herein may be the reason why Canon/Nikon has absolutely no interest in this market. Too niche for their mass market strategy.

 

And the X1 isnt versatile enough for studio/ professional work either, so that segment isnt covered either.

 

whats left is us??