prk60091 Posted September 1, 2010 Share #61 Posted September 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) eating with a fork or your fingers or with your right or left hand is not the same as taking a picture with a digital camera. the difference between shooting with a film M (as a "gentlemen amateur" who posts here does) is completely different from shooting with a X1. You need to shoot more than a couple of frames with a camera to decide what is right for that camera. Shooting with a D2 was completely different than shooting with a Dlux4 and different again with a X1. I have never shot with a digital M (and I don't know if any the posters in this thread have) but I assume it is as different from shooting with the X1 as shooting with a Dlux4..and i would never presume to instruct on what is proper procedure for shooting on a M9 and I think it is the height of arrogance to instruct a stranger on what is proper for a camera that you are not familiar with (silverware aside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phancj Posted September 1, 2010 Share #62 Posted September 1, 2010 I use my right hand to shovel the food into my mouth and the left one has the napkin... what's a fork? Muahahahha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 1, 2010 Share #63 Posted September 1, 2010 the difference between shooting with a film M (...) is completely different from shooting with a X1. Actually, it's not. You need to shoot more than a couple of frames with a camera to decide what is right for that camera. Shooting with a D2 was completely different than shooting with a Dlux4 and different again with a X1. I have never shot with a digital M (and I don't know if any the posters in this thread have) but I assume it is as different from shooting with the X1 as shooting with a Dlux4. Once we're into hand held shooting and the preliminaries such as taking care of all the various settings of the camera are over, there are just two strategies being discussed here. Plan and decide ahead and aim at capturing your "ideal" picture with just one shot vs taking account of uncertainties and take as many similar shots as you can in the hope that one of the shots will deliver. And THAT has remained constant from Brownie Box through TLR through SLR with and without prism finder through RF through digital camera with rear LCD through any camera at all when used without any finder. Some of us favor the first as long as it's applicable. Others seem to feel that they are happier with the results of the second one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted September 1, 2010 Share #64 Posted September 1, 2010 Why does an Image need to be sharp in the first place? I went to a Pinhole exhibition with Venice as the sole subject, I must tell you I had never seen such beautiful images in my life, I understand this is a different technique, but still something to consider doing, even with an X1.... So many ultra sharp images on the internet, gets boring in the end, same as OOF images, HDR images etc. etc. perhaps one should try something different..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 1, 2010 Share #65 Posted September 1, 2010 Why does an Image need to be sharp in the first place? It doesn't. In the beginning, there's the design decision of the photographer (or would-be photographer, in some cases). Once that decision has been taken, the photographer plans the steps which ought to lead to the desired result. As I have found out, it's far more difficult to make an appropriately blurred image than a sharp one. Hence, I tend to apply the garden hose approach to (deliberately) blurred shots and the sniping approach to the (intented) sharp ones. If it does not matter whether the image is sharp or not, it does not matter how you use your camera. Only take off the lens cap and make sure the camera is loaded with whatever it needs to take a picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 1, 2010 Share #66 Posted September 1, 2010 eating with a fork or your fingers or with your right or left hand is not the same as taking a picture with a digital camera. the difference between shooting with a film M (as a "gentlemen amateur" who posts here does) is completely different from shooting with a X1. You need to shoot more than a couple of frames with a camera to decide what is right for that camera. Shooting with a D2 was completely different than shooting with a Dlux4 and different again with a X1. I have never shot with a digital M (and I don't know if any the posters in this thread have) but I assume it is as different from shooting with the X1 as shooting with a Dlux4..and i would never presume to instruct on what is proper procedure for shooting on a M9 and I think it is the height of arrogance to instruct a stranger on what is proper for a camera that you are not familiar with (silverware aside). Oh, how I love to be referred to in the third person... Every camera is different. When you grow up you will realise this. You will also learn that there is a difference between usage and technique. Every car is different to drive. That does not mean that you drive one well, and the other badly, having forgotten all that you have learned as best practice. Technique is transferable from car to car, from camera to camera. There is no excuse for sloppy technique. It is the height of arrogance to assume otherwise. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2010 Share #67 Posted September 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Define sloppy technique Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted September 1, 2010 Share #68 Posted September 1, 2010 Oh, how I love to be referred to in the third person... Every camera is different. When you grow up you will realise this. You will also learn that there is a difference between usage and technique. Every car is different to drive. That does not mean that you drive one well, and the other badly, having forgotten all that you have learned as best practice. Technique is transferable from car to car, from camera to camera. There is no excuse for sloppy technique. It is the height of arrogance to assume otherwise. Regards, Bill Bill, you seem to be the self-proclaimed upper priest of the Leica forum, seem to have a lease on all ongoing leica related afairs.... please refrain to your "camera bag" issues and leave this discussion as it is. I would guess you F*** up more posting than the average Leica troll .... so stick to cosmetics and camera bags.... By the way, Bill mentioned "When you grow up you will realise this" .... I guess Bill has grown up ... and is now heavily into camera bags .... what a very degenerating thing to say "When you grow up you will realise this" that is .... things like like this should be addressed by our foremost moderator!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted September 1, 2010 Share #69 Posted September 1, 2010 Oh, how I love to be referred to in the third person... Every camera is different. When you grow up you will realise this. You will also learn that there is a difference between usage and technique. Every car is different to drive. That does not mean that you drive one well, and the other badly, having forgotten all that you have learned as best practice. Technique is transferable from car to car, from camera to camera. There is no excuse for sloppy technique. It is the height of arrogance to assume otherwise. Regards, Bill if you are talking about technique such as "sun at your back" "rule of thirds" i absolutely agree with you but each model of camera handles completely differently according to your profile you don't even have a digital M and the sole digital camera you claim to have is a dlux4 (which takes spectacular photos- especially macro photos) but the way you shoot with the dlux4 is completely different from an X1. I know- i had the dlux4 for 2 years and now have shot just shy of 1000 frames on the x1. i have no doubt of your prowess on the M7 but when it comes to this very special camera - you have absolutely no clue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted September 1, 2010 Share #70 Posted September 1, 2010 I think "sloppy technique" in this case might be meant as owning a pink camera case.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 1, 2010 Share #71 Posted September 1, 2010 Yikes!... knifes zipping through the air! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2010 Share #72 Posted September 1, 2010 I do think it is not sloppy technique to go to - or past- the limits of technique and use whatever means to get the image you want, be it multiple images, leaning against a wall or drinking a glass of booze - anything to get the sharpest shot possible (admitting this presupposes one is not wanting to take an unsharp image) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted September 1, 2010 Share #73 Posted September 1, 2010 I think "sloppy technique" in this case might be meant as owning a pink camera case.... then i am good to go- my case is grey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted September 1, 2010 Share #74 Posted September 1, 2010 Richard, no knives.... maybe its just the fact that the X1 introduces other kinds of photographers to this forum, different thoughts, different ideas, different views. These being interrupted by someone who probably has never touched one in his life is becoming a bit of a nuisance, after all this is not the first time. X1 one owners should be entitled to their own "state of affairs" however this might disrupt the conservatism of digital M shooting. The X1 is different, attracts a different group of users... it's new for mozarts-sake and so will the user be! One thing I hate though is lines like; "when you grow-up" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted September 1, 2010 Share #75 Posted September 1, 2010 then i am good to go- my case is grey Mines Black ... phewww.... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 1, 2010 Share #76 Posted September 1, 2010 Richard, no knives.... maybe its just the fact that the X1 introduces other kinds of photographers to this forum, different thoughts, different ideas, different views. These being interrupted by someone who probably has never touched one in his life is becoming a bit of a nuisance, after all this is not the first time. X1 one owners should be entitled to their own "state of affairs" however this might disrupt the conservatism of digital M shooting. The X1 is different, attracts a different group of users... it's new for mozarts-sake and so will the user be! One thing I hate though is lines like; "when you grow-up" I agree Jan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 1, 2010 Share #77 Posted September 1, 2010 *sigh*. It's a light tight box, chaps, not the Second Coming. There are enough high-horses around here to make a giraffe uncomfortable. This has nothing to do with the X1, and everything to do with an apparent desire to be "different". I hate to tell you this, but you are not the first to be "different"... The camera does not maketh the man. There also seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding going on. I don't give a flying fart if you are using an X1 or a Gandolfi, if you do not understand the basics of aperture, shutter speed, ISO, depth of focus and so on you are simply a monkey-see, monkey-do button pusher. The camera is driving you, not vice versa. Eventually you will produce a masterpiece, but then eventually an army of inky-fingered monkeys will tap out the works of Shakespeare. "Rules" are made to be understood, and followed or disregarded as you wish and need. But if you are going to break a "rule", do so consciously, not by ignorance or accident. As an aside, I am most amused by "...according to your profile you don't even have a digital M and the sole digital camera you claim to have is a dlux4". Apart from being inaccurate, it is the last defensive argument of the "you don't understand me" brigade, seen here many times before. My gripe is with those who regard poor technique as acceptable without even understanding what good technique looks like, or worse, giving it a try. That way lies laziness, and ultimately camera-phones. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 1, 2010 Share #78 Posted September 1, 2010 I guess I shouldn't as it's against forum-etiquette but I love these heated discussions. I feel frustrated and crippled that I have to write in a foreign language. Or frustrated that my English is simply not good enough, dunno. Love it! Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted September 1, 2010 Share #79 Posted September 1, 2010 Every car is different to drive. That does not mean that you drive one well, and the other badly, having forgotten all that you have learned as best practice. Interesting thought. Now I relate to a car as something that has to be driven within specific constraints, to share the road, keeping interior passengers and external strangers safe, and all of that. The camera OTOH doesn't have such close constraints, unless you want to "share the road" so to speak, sharing common technologies and techniques with other forum members, and even sharing photos that other people can relate to (so they're not just scratching their heads and saying "what's that? - oh, forget about it.") Does this mean that the fewer rules we have (or the more we deny them), the less likely we'll be able to communicate here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 1, 2010 Share #80 Posted September 1, 2010 I guess I shouldn't as it's against forum-etiquette but I love these heated discussions. I feel frustrated and crippled that I have to write in a foreign language. Or frustrated that my English is simply not good enough, dunno. Love it! Richard. None of it's meant or taken as personal, Richard. Just as long as you remember that Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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