New X1 owner report...

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Andreas,

 

I'm all for criticism but the OP is raising issues that are already very well known, and in the case of the slow AF, the fact that a cheap P&S is faster focussing is as relevant as saying the M9 is crap because a cheap P&S has autofocus! It's a design aspect of the camera, and if it's an issue you don't buy it.

 

Users of the camera, or those like me who know and understand the issues, will rightly defend the brand. This forum attracts many potential buyers and they may be put off by ill informed negative posts such as the OP's, which isn't fair to Leica at the end of the day.

 

It's fair enough if he was the first person to use an X1 but slow AF is well reported by now - as are the reasons for it - and as for the criticism of the shutter and aperture dials that's a matter of personal taste - clearly the OP prefers the push button menu driven interface of most other digitals.

 

I do not have a X1 and I am therefore neutral on the subject but would like to make a general comment:

 

What I dislike about this forum (there are many good things here, too) is that as soon as somebody utters some sort of criticism regarding Leica-equipment the discussion immediately gets very hostile (even if the criticism is not).

 

This of course happens also in most other brand-related forums but I had thought that Leica-users would be more tolerant.

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[prk60091]

Yep, when you can't debate the issue on its own merits go for the ad homenium attack right? I guess in your black and white world if one isn't a fanboy then you are a troll, eh?

 

no you can be a critic and not be a troll.... (why am i feeding the troll?)

 

to be a critic and not a troll you need to have an intelligent argument .... your made up comparison (i for one dont believe you ever purchased an x1) because if you did you would have to be one of the least intelligent people in this forum.. (everything you mentioned has been mentioned - debated and commented on for at least 6 months= so knowing all the "downfalls" you chose to spend $2000 on a camera that is a 1990"s vintage and then return it...) please I wasnt born yesterday.....

 

the way i see it (in my sole opinion) you can buy a camera for status (eg "Leica" "Canon 7DM2"etc) or you can buy a camera for the images it produces....

if the camera and lens you have chosen gives you the images you want at a price *you* feel is fair - you buy it and if there are any deficiencies in other areas you discover after using it- you either live with it- or trade in the camera until you get close to "your perfect" camera.

 

I cant figure out why you "bought" the camera......that's why you are a troll....

 

 

as to your made up questions:

 

show me 1 $200 P&S camera that can produce the images that the X1 does and I will buy it for you....

[andybarton]

If you can't keep this civil, I will close the thread.

[Leicabatoutahell]

I bought a camera and posted my personal findings. I don't care how well known the problems are...this is what I found. That my friends is the purpose of the forum. If we can't post our opinions because someone else has already stated them then we might as well lock every thread right now. Using your logic, nothing new has been posted here in the last 6 months. Reading your posts shows that you don't disagree with any of my findings (i.e all these shortcomings are already known to us all bla, bla, bla), you just don't want me to post them,

 

Let me reiterate. The image quality is fine, the camera sucks and the Emperor has no clothes!!!

[bill]

...and your point is?

 

You have made your "report". Some have agreed with you, others have disagreed. It seems that you have by your own admission added nothing new to the sum of human knowledge.

 

Thank you for your confirmation of known attributes. Some regard them as features, others as faults. Fact is, I don't expect anybody to change their mind based on what you have written here.

 

Interesting exercise though...

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[Ecaton]

Very cute reply but the point of my post was to point out the massive shortcomings of this camera. Perhaps you should enlighten us as to which of the points I have made are untrue?

 

Can you show me a sub 2000 dollar camera that is slower focusing than the X1?

Can you show me a sub 2000 dollar camera that doesn't have a faster processor than the X1?

Can you show me a sub 2000 dollar camera that ...well you get the point. Then maybe we can get an idea where you think the X1's competition lies.

 

That's an easy one. E.g. Sigma DP1 and DP2. Both produce great IQ, as does the X1. And by the way, what these small and compact IQ giants have in common are first rate optics, all three of them.

[momo77]

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That's an easy one. E.g. Sigma DP1 and DP2. Both produce great IQ, as does the X1. And by the way, what these small and compact IQ giants have in common are first rate optics, all three of them.

 

Exactly. I'm a proud owner of a M8 and a DP1, I'm in Italy, and this is my first post.

I don't own an x1, but when I bought the dp1 I knew from web reviews that it was dramatically slow to focus and to process images.

But I was interested in IQ which is still excellent.

So the Leica x1 is not perfect like all cameras: if don't need the jpeg along the raw you can delete it when you download the image on the pc...the AF is slow?concentrate on the picture and you'll find that you'll achieve better compositions...and when you'll see your pictures at home you'll bless the IQ of your camera. This is what I experience everytime I use my DP1 and I'm sure the feeling of X1 is very similar...

Leica is not for super fast super technologic super easy way of taking pictures, it's about Image quality.

My advice to Leicabatoutahell: try the camera again, seeing it as a way to take quality photographs and not as an electronic device: I'm sure you'll finally enjoy it and have fun...

 

Cheers

 

Mauro

[nyckylim]

I've missed quite a few shots with my X1.

 

However, I still love my camera and trying to adapt to the shortcomings of it. (Although I do hope that it will be faster). Just my 2cents.

[carcam]

I ordered my X1 many months before actually getting it and was almost scared away from all the negative posts re slowness, loose dials, etc. I understand how you feel, Steve and it's obvious not for you but I love it. Despite it's short-comings, I find it a delight to use and the pictures rival my M9.

[eelekim]

I bet Leicabatoutahell knew what responses he'd get when he opened the thread...

 

It's fine to express one's own opinion. But do we need a new thread for the same opinion already voiced out so many times before? Shouldn't the "new findings" be placed under the old topics instead? I believe many readers would like to be bored.

 

I'm also glad Leicabatoutahell has already returned the X1. (I supposed he really did buy it.) It's definitely not for him. Another example of the fact that no one camera fits all. Hope the new buyer of the X1 knows what he wants from the camera and becomes another satisfied user like us.

[sungnee]

It's from 1925! It's shape is an exact replica of the very first Leica A.

 

Anyone who thinks the 1990's is ancient must be very young.

[h00ligan]

Yep, when you can't debate the issue on its own merits go for the ad homenium attack right? I guess in your black and white world if one isn't a fanboy then you are a troll, eh?

 

You were asked a legitimate question and responded with an insult. Another poster simply said, which way do you think one should go in the compact camera arena and the $2000 price point.

 

I do own an x1 and there are several things that annoy me, most of which is probably due to my lack of skill. Minimum focus distance is one of the most annoying to me, but it's not 3 feet, you may not have activated macro. I completely respect that you are entitled to your opinion, but the whole tone of your posts has been hostile since post one. Just calm down and have a conversation - which camera do you think is better for the money?

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I love me X1

[Nei1]

All this energy,..its great,and all were doing is typing!

However it would be nice to see one good ,deliberate reportage style photo from one of you that has mastered the limitations of this camera.Ive not seen one yet which is certainly my fault for not looking in the right place,so if anyone could point me in the right direction it would make the discussion over this cameras faults irrelavent.

[prk60091]

All this energy,..its great,and all were doing is typing!

However it would be nice to see one good ,deliberate reportage style photo from one of you that has mastered the limitations of this camera.Ive not seen one yet which is certainly my fault for not looking in the right place,so if anyone could point me in the right direction it would make the discussion over this cameras faults irrelavent.

 

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Pickwick fountain and restaurant | Flickr - Photo Sharing! i posted it to flickr from my iphone it is from my x1 however.

[Leicabatoutahell]

You were asked a legitimate question and responded with an insult. ?

 

Uhh, read much? He called me a troll - then asked a question.

 

I will leave you all to your delusions, it's apparent many of you drank the Koolaide.

[Leicabatoutahell]

All this energy,..its great,and all were doing is typing!

However it would be nice to see one good ,deliberate reportage style photo from one of you that has mastered the limitations of this camera.Ive not seen one yet which is certainly my fault for not looking in the right place,so if anyone could point me in the right direction it would make the discussion over this cameras faults irrelavent.

 

Ain't it the truth! Armchair quarterbacks !