michael friedberg Posted July 9, 2010 Share #1 Posted July 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I was talking to a major Southern California Leica dealer today He told me that they now had several X-1s in stock, for the first time. I figured that sooner or later the shortage situation would change, and I consider that as good news for buyers. On the other hand, I then asked how he's doing getting M9s. He said they get about one unit every two weeks, and that's not enough. There's still a waiting list and M9 deliveries are slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest stnami Posted July 10, 2010 Share #2 Posted July 10, 2010 On the other hand, I then asked how he's doing getting M9s. He said they get about one unit every two weeks, and that's not enough. There's still a waiting list and M9 deliveries are slow An ideal situation for leica as it means there is no pressure to produce another camera ..... it seems that most are satisfied with the X1 so there is no need for an X2 . The luxes fill the compact needs of m9 owners or they still have their m8. A new lens here and there and Leica on easy street............ don't like it buy another brand Leica is busy selling cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 10, 2010 Share #3 Posted July 10, 2010 An ideal situation for leica as it means there is no pressure to produce another camera ..... it seems that most are satisfied with the X1 so there is no need for an X2 . The luxes fill the compact needs of m9 owners or they still have their m8. A new lens here and there and Leica on easy street............ don't like it buy another brand Leica is busy selling cameras. Leica it or not, they're still digital cameras, which means there's plenty of pressure to continue the technological advancement and innovation. Be prepared for some more breakthroughs from Leica, and some disappointments when the inevitable shortage occurs. And BTW, how would you feel if you bought an M8 for full price just before the M9 came out? Scary? No? I hope I get at least a year of use out of the X1 before the new model comes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted July 10, 2010 Share #4 Posted July 10, 2010 I'd be very surprised to see a small manufacturer release an update in 2 years.. tbh. I have no inside knowledge outside of being a technologist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 10, 2010 Share #5 Posted July 10, 2010 Other than a rangefinder which epson did first anyway, what is there that leica has done digitally that is a breakthrough?........ the S2 is just another version of medium format. It is a long time between drinks with leica, the D2 was a single shot followed by light ales made by Panasonic with a dandy dot.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 11, 2010 Share #6 Posted July 11, 2010 Other than a rangefinder which epson did first anyway, what is there that leica has done digitally that is a breakthrough?........ the S2 is just another version of medium format. Three amazing things Leica did, all at once. The S2 is smaller than the 24x36 DSLR's like the D3X or 1DS etc. And vastly superior. The M9 is the smallest by far 24x36 digital camera, and image quality better than the rest. The X1 is by far the smallest APC-C camera, and image quality best of those. Smaller size and better image qualty too? In three classes, all at the same time? Now if that isn't a breakthrough then I don't know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 11, 2010 Share #7 Posted July 11, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Small doesn't equate to excellence nor a breakthrough .......... image quality of the m9 and S2 is subjective and your opinion. The X1's sensor is sony's not leica's........remember no sensor no digital camera. If anything sony is the one that has created a excellence in technology not leica. Using the old leica lenses with a new sensor sure improved quality from the m8 to m9, leica are doing good things in technological partnership with others just as all top end manufacturers do but they are hardly cutting edge and a breakthrough. If they were the cameras would look very different leica is about tradition and camera quality. and spend rgeir time translating what they had in film into digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 11, 2010 Share #8 Posted July 11, 2010 The X1's sensor is sony's not leica's........remember no sensor no digital camera. If anything sony is the one that has created a excellence in technology not leica. Not entirely. The final output is always the result of the triangle lens, sensor and (in cam) image processing. Everybody knows the importance of the lens and sensor but the importance of image processing is not to be underestimated. This is done by Leica too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 11, 2010 Share #9 Posted July 11, 2010 remember no sensor no digital camera. If anything sony is the one that has created a excellence in technology not leica. That conclusion has a flaw. We all know that the space between the lens and the sensor is absolutely critical. The body has to hold the lens at the right position and direction in front of the sensor. Hence, no space no digital camera. Who invented space? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted July 11, 2010 Share #10 Posted July 11, 2010 Who invented space? Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 11, 2010 Share #11 Posted July 11, 2010 Still no breakthrough but your sensor replaced the film so the so called space was accounted for in previous camera designs hardly a breakthrough.... image processing is borrowed technology and a matter of tweaking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 11, 2010 Share #12 Posted July 11, 2010 Jesus. Guess again. Hint: space was mentioned before Jesus was. Still no breakthrough but your sensor replaced the film so the so called space was accounted for in previous camera designs hardly a breakthrough.... image processing is borrowed technology and a matter of tweaking I agree about the space. I do not agree about your assessment of image processing. Anyway, the point I was trying to make was that just inserting any sensor into a camera does not make a useful camera. Integrating several components into a working whole can be seen as a breakthrough indeed. In an electronic camera it stands to reason that the processing of the image is a non-trivial task. Not borrowed at all. Otherwise, there would be many more open-sourced digital cameras than there are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 11, 2010 Share #13 Posted July 11, 2010 image processing was was around before Leica even made a digital camera Integrating several components into a working whole can be seen as a breakthrough indeed Stringing a very long bow there ...........the same can be said for the general electric brand of cameras........ hardly cutting edge stuff or some sort of breakthrough Give the General Electric to a kid in outer Tuva and he will be beside himself and think it is a technological wonder you on the other hand will see it a crap camera producing dicey images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 11, 2010 Share #14 Posted July 11, 2010 image processing was was around before Leica even made a digital camera Image processing was around before anyone made a digital camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 11, 2010 Share #15 Posted July 11, 2010 That kills your argument ................ dead as a door nail as is your breakthrough out the door.......... catcha laita I'm outa 'ere and pop goes the weasel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 11, 2010 Share #16 Posted July 11, 2010 Shapest knife in the drawer contest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 11, 2010 Share #17 Posted July 11, 2010 Shapest knife in the drawer contest? Something of that order. It's not fair, however, since stnami is more of an artist, while I am more of a technology person. We assess things differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted July 11, 2010 Share #18 Posted July 11, 2010 Is there any supply in Europe at the moment? I would like to get an X1 without the VAT tax? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted July 12, 2010 Share #19 Posted July 12, 2010 Small doesn't equate to excellence nor a breakthrough .......... image quality of the m9 and S2 is subjective and your opinion. Are you redefining breakthrough from your own opinion or your own dictionary? What I purchased didn't exist before Leica made it available, so if that's not a breakthrough, then you're just splitting hairs and not adding to the discussion, which is about real world cameras, not theories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted July 12, 2010 Share #20 Posted July 12, 2010 Is there any supply in Europe at the moment? I would like to get an X1 without the VAT tax? Not here in the Netherlands. But that's only a very small part of Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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