Spot Focus versus Spot Exposure Metering

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I Know a World Press winner who shoots automatic most of the times...

 

I like the Contax G2; with your thumb you set the light and with the half press of the shutter you set the focus, than frame and fire.

For me (a semi-pro) it fits good.

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[leicashot]

My new goal in life is to be a walking light meter such as yourself. I bow to your greatness.

 

Comments like these come from those who know no better. unfortunately its people like you that make a bad name for working professional photographers who actually know what they are doing. Ignorance is bliss, right?

 

I used to think people on these forums were here to learn how to be better photographers, but no, many are here to learn how to achieve the best results possible in the easiest way possible. The Leica photographer has changed. There used to be a really good Leica forum at photo.net which was the original Leica forum on the net with passionate photographers open to improving their way of working and thus, the end result, with completely manual cameras like the M6 and models before it. While digital has created a broader forum for people to extend their creative visions it has also fast tracked many people through the fundamentals of photography to making naive comments such as yours.

 

One can only hope that one day after being let down by every camera you buy, and endless complaints on the net about 'my camera doesn't meter well, etc etc' you'll learn that you, the photographer are responsible for the images, not the computer inside the (lightbox) camera.

 

I have nothing more to say on this matter. I tried and if at least one person has understood my points of view, than I have succeeded. If not, so be it. Good luck to you all.

[leicashot]

I Know a World Press winner who shoots automatic most of the times...

 

I like the Contax G2; with your thumb you set the light and with the half press of the shutter you set the focus, than frame and fire.

For me (a semi-pro) it fits good.

 

It wouldn't be the first time.

[Guest stnami]

As written by leicashot

Av and Tv were added due to market demand by the auto features and gimmicks designed by other manufacturers for people who are too lazy to learn photography properly.

Comments like these come from those who know no better. unfortunately its people like you that make a bad name for working photographers who actually know what they are doing.

not the computer inside the (lightbox) camera

........ but it sure helps in presenting a consistent presentation of photos without the helter skelter of image size. In the end nobody really cares how you got the shot or what pains you went through............ it is how things are presented and that the images contain elements that the audience respond to.

[reginaldwatkins]

Comments like these come from those who know no better. unfortunately its people like you that make a bad name for working professional photographers who actually know what they are doing. Ignorance is bliss, right?

 

I used to think people on these forums were here to learn how to be better photographers, but no, many are here to learn how to achieve the best results possible in the easiest way possible. The Leica photographer has changed. There used to be a really good Leica forum at photo.net which was the original Leica forum on the net with passionate photographers open to improving their way of working and thus, the end result, with completely manual cameras like the M6 and models before it. While digital has created a broader forum for people to extend their creative visions it has also fast tracked many people through the fundamentals of photography to making naive comments such as yours.

 

One can only hope that one day after being let down by every camera you buy, and endless complaints on the net about 'my camera doesn't meter well, etc etc' you'll learn that you, the photographer are responsible for the images, not the computer inside the (lightbox) camera.

 

I have nothing more to say on this matter. I tried and if at least one person has understood my points of view, than I have succeeded. If not, so be it. Good luck to you all.

 

Your arrogant attitude is the problem here. Don't talk down to people. I understand how to manually operate a camera. I'm even well rehearsed in developing my own film and printing from a negative. I shoot medium format with a Yashica D, it's all manual my friend.

 

I do stand behind my remark of being a walking light meter such as yourself. Again, I bow in your greatness.

[leicashot]

Your arrogant attitude is the problem here. Don't talk down to people. I understand how to manually operate a camera. I'm even well rehearsed in developing my own film and printing from a negative. I shoot medium format with a Yashica D, it's all manual my friend.

 

I do stand behind my remark of being a walking light meter such as yourself. Again, I bow in your greatness.

 

I'm not talking down to anyone. If you're offended by my comments I've obviously struck a nerve that show s some insecurity, causing you to get so upset over this. If you don't want to shoot in manual and disagree with my comments so be it. No need to be rude about it. What may seem like an arrogant attitude is your own inner voice looking at itself in the mirror. I know what I'm talking about and say it with confidence because people pay for my work on a daily basis. I don't expect such people as yourself to understand, but didn't anticipate such obvious insecurity, so yes I was wrong to post. For the sake of the forum and avoiding more heat, I'll end it here. Bow all you like, throw sarcasm my way, its ok...it won't ruin my day.

 

It's just a shame you haven't learnt from my advice....seeing as how we're being blunt, looking at your images, you could use it.

[leicashot]

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As written by leicashot Comments like these come from those who know no better. unfortunately its people like you that make a bad name for working photographers who actually know what they are doing.

........ but it sure helps in presenting a consistent presentation of photos without the helter skelter of image size. In the end nobody really cares how you got the shot or what pains you went through............ it is how things are presented and that the images contain elements that the audience respond to.

 

Looking at your work, you're just a photoshop artist anyway. I may not know what I'm doing, but I know how to take a photograph, rather than relying on my post-photographic skills.

[Guest stnami]

Like I said clients don't give a rats arse how things are made they just need to be satisfied. As for so called straight shots never had a problem with that auto or manual but for me there is no need to do that sort of work at the moment as I did when I needed to fulfil the photo industries needs

[h00ligan]

I understand the theory of photography. But I also understand that I can get a more accurate exposure if I let the camera pin point the shutter speed for me. There are limited choices on the shutter speed dial. I can't choose 1/1500 of a second on the dial but that might be the necessary shutter speed to get a precise exposure. AE lock I would use and benefit from in obtaining an accurate exposure.

 

I love the dials on top of the X1 and I use them. But I also understand you are limited by the choices on the dials. When the camera is set to auto you get the aperture and shutter speeds that falls between the given options on the dials.

 

Post processing can solve these issues. I prefer to have a raw file that needs little work. The more post processing the more artifacts that begin to creep in and ruin a good image.

 

This was a big point of confusion for me, trying to figure out less than 1 ev compensation, I then realized ( with some duh help) I had to go auto something. I agree it is essential in some shots to use auto something.

 

Leicashot, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge to share, but perhaps it's best to reconsider the method in which you share it and understand your style may not fit everyone. You seem to be a fashion/portrait (a group who honestly already have a bad enough name as far as personality/demeanor - maybe because many refer to women as 'the TTTTTalent!' - I work in publishing) photog.. which means a lot of studio stuff, or at least photos made in more perfect conditions. Amy is a different kind of photographer, one more to my style admittedly, who clearly has a very extensive knowledge of her own.

 

You have both offered pointers to me, for which I am appreciative. Your's however really got my back up initially, which if you care about passing on knowledge or learning more outside your realm is not the way to go... and if you don't care about passing on knowledge or learning, why post or read?

 

Arguing to be right on the internet is like winning a race of jalopies. Even if you win, you still look stupid. (granted, I fall into the trap too!)

 

Post is part of the game(digital or analogue), art is made with many techniques... look at Joel Peter-Witkins stuff.. it's not far off from stnami's and he does it all in a darkroom.. so what's the issue? I'm sure his stuff won't appeal to you, but he is a brass tax old school photog who heavily manipulates in a darkroom.

 

As far as Reginald's read, he's right... and he's not the only one to see it. When you have multiple people you are rubbing the wrong way it's time to reconsider your approach, whether you are a ceo or sharing info on the internet... and clearly you have a knack for offending - which I genuinely don't think is deliberate. I'm sure you're a good guy, so let that come through on the forums.

 

Jim Radcliffe just posted something similar on dpreview - give it a read, hard to disagree!

[Guest stnami]

Not everyone is interested in using a camera in traditional ways, to some the image is only a small part of the process ................. some on this forum just like cameras

[RichardM8]

Jim Radcliffe just posted something similar on dpreview - give it a read, hard to disagree!

 

Completely agree.

 

 

And the files from the X1 seem to be very robust in Post. Excellent.

[h00ligan]

Yah I wish I would have seen jim's post before I bothered writing out all that other stuff! The x1 files do very well in post, you are right.

[Viv]

There is no doubt that 'manual' allows finer control and - done properly - gives excellent results.

 

I shoot in manual most of the time, and occasionally in Av and Tv.

 

I try to minimise post-processing.

 

I can't speak about the X-1 - I do not have one.