Sony NEX 5 vs Leica x1

[h00ligan]

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After reading the last several pages of this thread? if you can call it a thread? I must say that some here are way out their with there surmise about the Nex 3-5, Sony recently updated the FW several days ago and are going to continue to update its NEX FW for the future, including the synchronization w/auto focus of another one of there lens and most likely other branded lens. That says a whole lot about Sony and were they want to go with this nice all a rounder digi cam NEX 3-5. there really listening to there consumers, and do have the resources to max out every bit of possibility.

I'm still trying to sell my X1 w/handgrip no buyers yet, and very little interest and responces for it:confused:

If the camera (is) still as good as most say it is?

 

emma

 

Are you a non native English speaker? Alternately are you typing this on a phone or iPad? I had a difficult time understanding exactly what you mean.

 

Where are you trying to sell the camera and what is your asking price?

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[Guest X1s]

Are you a non native English speaker? Alternately are you typing this on a phone or iPad? I had a difficult time understanding exactly what you mean.

 

Where are you trying to sell the camera and what is your asking price?

 

Ed, as I have mentioned in the past, and as you have all ready replied to a post of mine I posted, in regards to selling my X1, I have chosen to sell it here locally in the Northern Ca. area, as I don't like the ebay possible scams or other methods that include (shipping) the X1. The X1 is basically brand new, only 247 actuations on it and comes with the Leica hand grip. Its $1,700.00 Firm non-negotiable. Box and content included, however I have used the LR2 software lic's, so maybe I can deactivate and pass it over to the buyer if thats a must have. I hope thats is enough english for you? If you would like to buy another one then mine is the one for you.

 

BTW ? what are you typing on a Dell net book

Go too DP and read about the NEX FW update v03

 

 

emma

[Guest stnami]

I sure do use that along with a pez type dispenser, with a bit of honing they fit on a hot shoe ................. that's why a pink nex is important as there is no hot shoe:D

 

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[Ecaton]

After reading the last several pages of this thread? if you can call it a thread? I must say that some here are way out their with there surmise about the Nex 3-5, Sony recently updated the FW several days ago and are going to continue to update its NEX FW for the future, including the synchronization w/auto focus of another one of there lens and most likely other branded lens. That says a whole lot about Sony and were they want to go with this nice all a rounder digi cam NEX 3-5. there really listening to there consumers, and do have the resources to max out every bit of possibility.

I'm still trying to sell my X1 w/handgrip no buyers yet, and very little interest and responces for it:confused:

If the camera (is) still as good as most say it is?

 

emma

 

Seems there is consensus that the NEX has a nice sensor. Nobody here is bashing the Sony. It's a few NEX fanboys who never even laid a hand on a X1 who are hanging out here and trying to trash the X1.

X1 users are not known to troll in Camera Fora dedicated to other camera brands to vent frustration. And for the record, I do own both, the X1 and the NEX 5. The former because it is presently the highest IQ, compact and pocketable camera and the latter because of its gadgetry appeal. However, if Sony does not release decent lenses for the NEX soon, I will sell it without regrets.

[h00ligan]

Ed, as I have mentioned in the past, and as you have all ready replied to a post of mine I posted, in regards to selling my X1, I have chosen to sell it here locally in the Northern Ca. area, as I don't like the ebay possible scams or other methods that include (shipping) the X1. The X1 is basically brand new, only 247 actuations on it and comes with the Leica hand grip. Its $1,700.00 Firm non-negotiable. Box and content included, however I have used the LR2 software lic's, so maybe I can deactivate and pass it over to the buyer if thats a must have. I hope thats is enough english for you? If you would like to buy another one then mine is the one for you.

 

BTW ? what are you typing on a Dell net book

Go too DP and read about the NEX FW update v03

 

 

emma

 

Emmies,

 

And iPad often, which inhibits typing speed and accuracy certainly. I don't think you can limit yourself to local sale and also complain of no buyers..it's a niche product. Any camera stores allow a part exchange for other gear? I posted about the preview of the firmware update in this thread, already read.

 

Stnami, lol.

[barjohn]

X1, it's not where you are trying to sell your X1 but for how much. It isn't that the X1 is a bad camera but really, trying to get $1700 for a camera worth $500 is going to be a problem. At least to anyone that knows the costs for parts and labor.

[h00ligan]

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Lol..good chuckle John. $500, that's just straight hate speech.

[Ecaton]

Lol..good chuckle John. $500, that's just straight hate speech.

 

See my post 504. He is one of those. If you know what I mean.

[barjohn]

If you know electronics you know there isn't $500 worth of parts in the camera with labor. Go to Gizmodo when they have their cost breakdowns on various electronic products, iPhone or what have you if you think I am making it up. Leica is not using the high end components it could be. The LCD is old technology as are the computer parts and other discrete electronics. A general rule of thumb in electronics manufacturing is the cost to manufacture is 1/3 of the maximum wholesale price to a distributor. The rest of the cost is in marketing, distribution, overhead and profit when sold at wholesale. Do you really think it costs significantly more to make an X1 versus a GF1? Yet they can sell a GF1 for less than $500 and make a profit. Of course, I was being a little tongue in cheek because what it is worth is what you are willing to pay for it versus what it costs to make it.

[phancj]

If you know electronics you know there isn't $500 worth of parts in the camera with labor. Go to Gizmodo when they have their cost breakdowns on various electronic products, iPhone or what have you if you think I am making it up. Leica is not using the high end components it could be. The LCD is old technology as are the computer parts and other discrete electronics. A general rule of thumb in electronics manufacturing is the cost to manufacture is 1/3 of the maximum wholesale price to a distributor. The rest of the cost is in marketing, distribution, overhead and profit when sold at wholesale. Do you really think it costs significantly more to make an X1 versus a GF1? Yet they can sell a GF1 for less than $500 and make a profit. Of course, I was being a little tongue in cheek because what it is worth is what you are willing to pay for it versus what it costs to make it.

 

Then dont buy it if it isnt worth it. Many including me sees it as ok value given the IQ, not cheap for me, but worth the money. I am in business too and see mark-ups as just that and do not think about how much mark-up is fair, but rather how much in retail you are willing to pay. Wht I am trying to say is when buying anything you should not see the profit margin of the manufacturers as the determinant but rather the perceived value to you. You'll be happier that way IMHO.

 

I really mean to be nice and drop the hostility (must admit to that towards you sometimes coz of your incessant posts), my advice is enjoy whatever is the camera you enjoy and forget about your X1-bashing, it isnt worth your time coz the people who buy it will buy it anyway.

 

I cannot think of any reason to continue your line of posts coz Leica will continue to move forwards with the X2, and so will sony with the nex, then you would have spent a large portion of your life just ranting about a product you do not like or feel overpriced and not enjoying taking photos or whatever life has to offer...

 

Leica for sure aint dropping prices because of your posts, if they are I'll join you for sure:)

[stunsworth]

Are you a non native English speaker? Alternately are you typing this on a phone or iPad? I had a difficult time understanding exactly what you mean

 

I think the problem is that "there" is being used to mean "there", "their" and "they're", and this together with a lack of paragraph breaks makes the post more difficult to read. I've noticed this with a few other posters too.

[jsrockit]

Do you really think it costs significantly more to make an X1 versus a GF1? Yet they can sell a GF1 for less than $500 and make a profit. Of course, I was being a little tongue in cheek because what it is worth is what you are willing to pay for it versus what it costs to make it.

 

Consumer vs. Luxury...

[Photojazz]

I did not have the patience to study 11 pages of comparative bantor here.

 

Haha on the curved rail being lens curvature. That would be freaky. ;-)

 

If this is the X1 forum, shouldn't we be focused on the X1?

[Ecaton]

If you know electronics you know there isn't $500 worth of parts in the camera with labor. Go to Gizmodo when they have their cost breakdowns on various electronic products, iPhone or what have you if you think I am making it up. Leica is not using the high end components it could be. The LCD is old technology as are the computer parts and other discrete electronics. A general rule of thumb in electronics manufacturing is the cost to manufacture is 1/3 of the maximum wholesale price to a distributor. The rest of the cost is in marketing, distribution, overhead and profit when sold at wholesale. Do you really think it costs significantly more to make an X1 versus a GF1? Yet they can sell a GF1 for less than $500 and make a profit. Of course, I was being a little tongue in cheek because what it is worth is what you are willing to pay for it versus what it costs to make it.

 

Yes, it does cost quite a bit more. The two obvious reasons: the GF1 is a "body only" (GF1 & prime lens for less than USD 500? Bring it on, I'll take 10). And higher GF1 volumes provide economies of scale.

[Sagar]

This logic could be true if you and me go to the market, buy the components and build a X1 like we do for desktop PC. What everyone tends to forget is there is considerable investment by companies whether its apple or Leica in "people" who design, research and develop this products. Else anyone in the the corner could have build these products, but ipad could not happen for a decade MS and others were trying, neither X1 happened when Sigma tried for with its DPs. On top you have marketing, advertisement, local production costs, taxes and so on.

 

When a company product cost is sum of all not just the sum of components.

 

If you know electronics you know there isn't $500 worth of parts in the camera with labor. Go to Gizmodo when they have their cost breakdowns on various electronic products, iPhone or what have you if you think I am making it up. Leica is not using the high end components it could be. The LCD is old technology as are the computer parts and other discrete electronics. A general rule of thumb in electronics manufacturing is the cost to manufacture is 1/3 of the maximum wholesale price to a distributor. The rest of the cost is in marketing, distribution, overhead and profit when sold at wholesale. Do you really think it costs significantly more to make an X1 versus a GF1? Yet they can sell a GF1 for less than $500 and make a profit. Of course, I was being a little tongue in cheek because what it is worth is what you are willing to pay for it versus what it costs to make it.

[Guest douglasf13]

Wow, surprised this thread is still going. I've just ordered a lens the MS Optical Perar Super Triplet that makes the NEX-5 infinitely more pocketable. It's handmade, limited to only 200, and only costs $700 US. Better yet, it is only 4mm when collapsed:

*second image courtesy of luuca on the rangefinder forum.

 

Combine this lens with my Voigtlander 35/1.4, 50/2.5, 50/1.4, 85/3.5 rangefinder lenses, the Sony 16mm (which is much better than its given credit for,) a macro reverse ring, and a pinhole cap, and I've got a pretty sweet system that ranges from pocketable to needing only a small bag. I certainly plan on buying the recently announced Zeiss e-mount prime as well.

[Guest X1s]

I think the problem is that "there" is being used to mean "there", "their" and "they're", and this together with a lack of paragraph breaks makes the post more difficult to read. I've noticed this with a few other posters too.

 

Excellant thought!!, people need (too) ha ha, read through the lines several times, before reaching a definite understanding of a post.

 

Ps..... I'm surprised, that there was only one emboo....solic...post, in regards to price.

 

 

 

emmmmmm;)

[h00ligan]

I think it goes the other way. People need to read through several times before posting the click button. I should follow this more closely as well.

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[phancj]

Wow, surprised this thread is still going. I've just ordered a lens the MS Optical Perar Super Triplet that makes the NEX-5 infinitely more pocketable. It's handmade, limited to only 200, and only costs $700 US. Better yet, it is only 4mm when collapsed:

*second image courtesy of luuca on the rangefinder forum.

 

Combine this lens with my Voigtlander 35/1.4, 50/2.5, 50/1.4, 85/3.5 rangefinder lenses, the Sony 16mm (which is much better than its given credit for,) a macro reverse ring, and a pinhole cap, and I've got a pretty sweet system that ranges from pocketable to needing only a small bag. I certainly plan on buying the recently announced Zeiss e-mount prime as well.

 

Thanks Douglas for the info.

 

This would in IMHO a case when a Nex user has something genuinely constructive to add to the picture.

 

That lens is crazy small haha nice please post some photos done with it?

 

Totally disagree with you on the sony e-mount pancake though, its atrocious IMO. Total piece of hmmm which is one reason why I didnt pick up the kit at launch.

[h00ligan]

Is there another prime coming? The original 16mm had ridiculously bad sharpness falloff based on the images I saw. I would have thought it was a decentering problem but it was too uniform for that...and too consistent across lenses/users. The kit lens wnt too bad, nothing great..and slow.

 

Too bad they didn't announce better lenses, unless I missed it.