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I use a belt pouch and it is perfect. Almost the exact size as the X1. Frankly I think there is even a big difference in size between MFTs and the X1. Portability is key i deciding how often I bring my camera. No camera no pictures??:D

 

Does that mean you would never take an M8 or M9 since they are too big compared to either m43rds, the X1 or the NEX? :)

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phnacj,

 

I hope a quick snap taken of my desk and bookcase are not taken as indicative of camera IQ when PP is virtually zero other than color balancing and reducing for web. However, I challenge you to produce equal or better ISO 4000 or 6400 IQ with the X1 under similar conditions. After heavily reducing and compressing the files from approximately 4MB to 400KB, loading them up to the web site resulted in 64KB compressed files. Obviously something gets lost in that process. It may be something I am doing wrong.

 

Hey John.

 

the X1 goes up to 3200, so the discussion is moot. In any case, I do not use anything above 1600 coz I like my images nice.

 

In any case, just to address your thing with iso 5000 images looking like iso 400, plus make the point that some may be ok with images at 6400 looking like what you took, but some not. Also, if the room was actually dark and that the shot was done at iso 6400 or 4000 for that matter, heavier noise must creep in. Maybe that is more relevant since given the adequate lighting in the room there is no necessity for high iso to that extent? Test the iso 6400 in darkness, maybe eve iso 1600 in very dark areas, maybe there is some real-life practicality in that comparison?

 

I will do the same John and lets compare images? :)

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Phancj,

 

The bookcase light level is as follows: At ISO 3200 and f2.8 it would require a 1/40th sec exposure. At ISO 200 it is 0.4 sec. That is not a bright scene. You should be able to easily duplicate the light level which I would say is about the level of a night club stage or a little less. You have the light reading for the desk shot at ISO 200 so you should be able to extrapolate I measured at f2.8, 1/25th sec at ISO 200. I would say the light level is comparable on the desk top to a dinning table in a nice restaurant. It shouldn't be too hard to match those conditions.

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Does that mean you would never take an M8 or M9 since they are too big compared to either m43rds, the X1 or the NEX? :)

 

For the M9 It would be a more considered trip yes, but the X1 is perfect for a "always with me" camera.

 

Also, the better images for the M9 is a consideration. Just went to a used cam store morning and tried out the M8 to see if MF with rangefinder is okay for my bad eyesight (myopic and long-sigtedness combined :mad:), was ok, but think need quite a bit of practice. So AF is critical for me. Especially if shooting a lot since can cause eye-strain.

 

AF maybe imperative for some, not so for others.

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Phancj,

 

The bookcase light level is as follows: At ISO 3200 and f2.8 it would require a 1/40th sec exposure. At ISO 200 it is 0.4 sec. That is not a bright scene. You should be able to easily duplicate the light level which I would say is about the level of a night club stage or a little less. You have the light reading for the desk shot at ISO 200 so you should be able to extrapolate I measured at f2.8, 1/25th sec at ISO 200. I would say the light level is comparable on the desk top to a dinning table in a nice restaurant. It shouldn't be too hard to match those conditions.

 

I was thinking more about night street scenes with really little lighting, that would be a nice application for really high iso?

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In my case it was presbyopia that made the M8 unusable too often, especially in low light shooting. That is where the great screen on the NEX is really helpful with 7x and 14x magnification and very high resolution.

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I was thinking more about night street scenes with really little lighting, that would be a nice application for really high iso?

 

It might be but it might also be hard to match conditions. I have given you the conditions I shot under and they should be easy to duplicate. Take your shot there and we can go forward to another set of more difficult conditions. :)

 

I should add, where I live I don't have the kind of street lighting you are talking about as I live in a small gated community with only a couple of lights and mostly dependent on people's garage lights if they have them on.

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It might be but it might also be hard to match conditions. I have given you the conditions I shot under and they should be easy to duplicate. Take your shot there and we can go forward to another set of more difficult conditions. :)

 

I should add, where I live I don't have the kind of street lighting you are talking about as I live in a small gated community with only a couple of lights and mostly dependent on people's garage lights if they have them on.

 

Hey john, quick shot taken at my desk (real messy ;))

 

iso 3200, max for the X1, think the image is clean too? Focus is on the Tad gear bag I use to carry the X1 in on my belt.

 

Straight out of camera jpeg, only downsized in preview.

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I must admit that the Nex is quite good when understanding Raw processing. I have not quite mastered it (obviously) but now know what it can and can't do, and with Nex files being able to be processed in LR3 now I took it to the local museum and shot some some shot with the basic zoom lens..... I was quite impressed that a camera of that price is able to produce such nice results, I can't technically underbuild that since I have none what so ever knowledge of camera/sensor technology, the only thing I trust is my eyes and they were particularly pleased with the results.

 

I am unable to use MF because of my eyes and viewfinder focussing, but if Sony ever decided to introduce a high quality lens for the Nex I think I would buy it.

 

It's still more bulky than the X1, the overall IQ isn't as good but all in all a very nice camera indeed, although I wouldn't use it with the current 16mm lens, the zoom isn't any better but a lot more versatile.

 

I love the flip screen and it's rather speedy AF....

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Those are two aspects that make me think about this camera... it is the first flip screen that I actually like.

 

Yeah, the lack of an EVF option was what kept me from buying the camera initially, and now I'm not sure I'd even need one anymore. The tilt up screen is my favorite part.

 

I'm getting buy with manual focusing M lenses (thank you LASIK,) but I'm excited about the prospect of Zeiss primes.

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phancj,

 

Can you give us a 100% crop?

 

Ahhhh! Deleted the photo. But will take another later when free and look for a better subject.

 

The file that I took looks actually very clean even when magnified, but oh well, will send another.

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Ahhhh! Deleted the photo. But will take another later when free and look for a better subject.

 

The file that I took looks actually very clean even when magnified, but oh well, will send another.

 

Oh, given the way this site works, what is best way to get 100% crop and post it?

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The site has issues with images, post them to flickr or similar and paste a direct URL.

 

The site has no issues with images provided you keep within the rules - 960 pixels on the longest side and around 300k. If you post an image larger that that it will be drastically reduced in size.

 

If you don't know how to resize images there's a wealth of information on the web.

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OK, let's skip that patronizing comment and assume it was in good spirit, since I don't think stunsworth would be patronizing. Here are some differences. The flickr are a lot closer to raw. The latter are resized to 800px

 

 

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here's another vs the attached.

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