Guest Chris M Posted June 24, 2010 Share #41 Posted June 24, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) The problem that the user with the SD card issue had is atypical and by no means common. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Andy it is more than one (user) it is plural. There are several posts from M9 owners in regards to this issue. And second of all, Leica does produce a quality product 70% of the time, which I have risked having to deal with over my experience, along with all the other legit complaints that are very valid on this forum concerning the M8's and M9's. So please don't you minimize whats really been happening either, especially being a moderator, its really not your position to be voicing opinions but rather too be (helpful) for such requests that members or I may need. I pm'd you yesterday evening and have gone unanswered. Thats not doing the better part of this community any good. Do a search on moderating under wikipedia, that will give you great guide lines. Remember we are all equal here, no one is above another. chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gwelland Posted June 24, 2010 Share #42 Posted June 24, 2010 Hmm, Time to sit back, crack a beer & pop corn ... This'll be fun to watch :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 24, 2010 Share #43 Posted June 24, 2010 being a moderator, its really not your position to be voicing opinions but rather too be (helpful) for such requests that members or I may need.. Sorry, mate, that's just not the way it is. It would probably take you all of five minutes to find out that (a) moderators in this forum joined this forum out of interest in Leica and photography, ( are not paid and not even granted any privileges in this forum for being moderators, © perform this at times unpleasant and taxing task in their own free time, (d) have to work for a living. If you're so unsatisfied with this forum and staff, I'd advise to demand your money back and to stop using their services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted June 24, 2010 Share #44 Posted June 24, 2010 Sorry, mate, that's just not the way it is. It would probably take you all of five minutes to find out that (a) moderators in this forum joined this forum out of interest in Leica and photography, ( are not paid and not even granted any privileges in this forum for being moderators, © perform this at times unpleasant and taxing task in their own free time, (d) have to work for a living. If you're so unsatisfied with this forum and staff, I'd advise to demand your money back and to stop using their services. BTW POP, did you see how Andy seems to minimize on going issues in regards to this post? That statement about Andy is a (SIDE COMMENT) about how I feel about his minimalizing IMO of ongoing issues with the M8's and now the M9's, please stay on topic. "Wikipedia says different", And one should not take on such a s%TY task wether being a volunteer or paid moderator position period regardless of there interest, do the job correctly and to the best of ones ability or give it up, really its just that simple:) Its about being helpful and not being so contentious or discerning either. cm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 24, 2010 Share #45 Posted June 24, 2010 "Wikipedia says different" Moderator The moderators (short singular form: "mod") are users (or employees) of the forum who are granted access to the posts and threads of all members for the purpose of moderating discussion (similar to arbitration) and also keeping the forum clean (neutralizing spam and spambots etc.).[18] . Because they have access to all posts and threads in their area of responsibility, it is common for a friend of the site owner to be promoted to moderator for such a task. Moderators also answer users' concerns about the forum, general questions, as well as respond to specific complaints. They also can do anything to lend a helping hand to a user in need.[19] Moderators themselves may have ranks: some may be given mod privileges over only a particular topic or section, while others (called 'global' or 'super') may be allowed access anywhere. Common privileges of moderators include: deleting, merging, moving, and splitting of posts and threads, locking, renaming, stickying of threads, banning, suspending, unsuspending, unbanning, warning the members, or adding, editing, removing the polls of threads.[20] 'Junior Modding' or 'Backseat Modding' can refer negatively to the behavior of ordinary users who take a moderator-like tone in criticizing other members. Essentially, it is the duty of the moderator to manage the day-to-day affairs of a forum or board as it applies to the stream of user contributions and interactions. The relative effectiveness of this user management directly impacts the quality of a forum in general, its appeal, and its usefulness as a community of interrelated users. Can't find abstinence from opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted June 24, 2010 Share #46 Posted June 24, 2010 Can't find abstinence from opinion. Thank you for seeing the light:eek: Now do you wish too comment on the original post? cm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted June 24, 2010 Share #47 Posted June 24, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Chris M, let's get a few things straight before we do any speculating or opining. As a moderator, I take my directions, when necessary, from Andreas, the forum owner. I am sure the other mods also. I am not interested in Wikipedia's view, the source being somewhat questionable at times on some subjects. As for opinions, well I joined this forum (light years ago) to learn and express myself as I chose. I am a normal working photographer who has a real life and some spare time to devote to this forum. I feel free to express my views as does anyone. When I need to put my mods 'hat' on, it is clearly (to the best of my ability) not a personal stand. I do my utmost to correctly perform my duties to the forum as dictated by the owner, not forum members opinion. I believe other mods would express similar stances. So please don't lecture about ".....do the job correctly and to the best of ones ability or give it up, ......". That is exactly what is being done as judged by Andreas. So go in peace and disagree with any and all opinions if you choose, that is your privilege here, just as it is everyone's, including Mods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted June 24, 2010 Share #48 Posted June 24, 2010 Chris M, let's get a few things straight before we do any speculating or opining. As a moderator, I take my directions, when necessary, from Andreas, the forum owner. I am sure the other mods also. I am not interested in Wikipedia's view, the source being somewhat questionable at times on some subjects. As for opinions, well I joined this forum (light years ago) to learn and express myself as I chose. I am a normal working photographer who has a real life and some spare time to devote to this forum. I feel free to express my views as does anyone. When I need to put my mods 'hat' on, it is clearly (to the best of my ability) not a personal stand. I do my utmost to correctly perform my duties to the forum as dictated by the owner, not forum members opinion. I believe other mods would express similar stances. So please don't lecture about ".....do the job correctly and to the best of ones ability or give it up, ......". That is exactly what is being done as judged by Andreas. So go in peace and disagree with any and all opinions if you choose, that is your privilege here, just as it is everyone's, including Mods. ERL, you don't need to defend yourself to me or anybody, and the problem here is everybody is way off topic on my (side comment) concerning Andy, period, although maybe I ought to talk with Andreas about some changes here concerning moderators Hmm:rolleyes: lets stay (on Topic) shall we. so we can find out how others feel about the ongoing issues concerning the Digital M's and there reliability, thats the subject here Erl. Do you care to voice you opinion about that? ps.. you live outside of the USA so I understand that you think quite differently. cm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted June 24, 2010 Share #49 Posted June 24, 2010 Please stop discussing your opinion of a moderator's duties here. I'm very glad to have each single member of the international moderator team and really appreciate their precious work here. And of course they are allowed to express their personal opinion. Chris, I'll PM you... Andreas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 24, 2010 Share #50 Posted June 24, 2010 There are several posts from M9 owners in regards to this issue. And second of all, Leica does produce a quality product 70% of the time, which I have risked having to deal with over my experience, along with all the other legit complaints that are very valid on this forum concerning the M8's and M9's. So please don't you minimize whats really been happening either, especially being a moderator, its really not your position to be voicing opinions but rather too be (helpful) for such requests that members or I may need As other have said, you are wrong on the issue of mods not being able to voice their opinions. This is an informal forum, not a court of law. As an intelligent chap you should be able to easily seperate out someone's opinion from their acts of moderation. As for any reliability issue regarding Leica products - I assume your figure of 70% is one you've made up for dramatic effect - the answer is (yet again) that we don't know. The only people who do know are Leica, and they aren't saying. You _cannot_ judge the reliability of a product based on issues raised here. All you can see from the forum are individual problems, that is not sufficient to provide anyone with a failure rate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 24, 2010 Share #51 Posted June 24, 2010 Andy it is more than one (user) it is plural. And, you will notice that at no time did I say that the circumstances were restricted to one user. All I said was to keep things in proportion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted June 24, 2010 Share #52 Posted June 24, 2010 chrism wants you to know that he is not Chris M. Clear? Good. Carry on. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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