kdemas Posted June 8, 2010 Share #21 Posted June 8, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) In regard to the original poster's comment about the orange focus assist light... you can turn it off in the menu if need be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tom0511 Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted June 8, 2010 In regard to the original poster's comment about the orange focus assist light... you can turn it off in the menu if need be Thank you - yes, but I assume the AF would be even worse? (but I should try this) Why would I need a camera with good high ISO if it doesnt focus good in low light? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anupmc Posted June 8, 2010 Share #23 Posted June 8, 2010 Thank you - yes, but I assume the AF would be even worse? (but I should try this)Why would I need a camera with good high ISO if it doesnt focus good in low light? There's Manual focus... (which I find relatively useable actually). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share #24 Posted June 9, 2010 Another afternoon where I gavethe x1 a try - working in the garden and garage with my little daughter and dinner afterwards. About 70% of my images were not sharp. Either my daughter must have moved after prefocusing before I pressed the shutter, or something else went wrong. One more thing I realized it seems shortes exposure time in auto iso is 1/30. Sorry, but if this is the case it is totally unaccaptable. Or did Leica allready know the camera is for stills only and therefore didnt see any sense to offer shorter exp times for autoiso limit? Well - this is something they can fix in firmware for sure, but what did they think? I am still trying to like this camera but I am loosing confidence more and more. I will check it out some more days but now it looks like I will rather accept the small disadvantage in sensor size and stay with my E-P2 as a compact travel camera. Tonality IF (big IF) you get the shot and nail the focus does indeed seem a little more to my taste than the E-P2 - but this is really not a big difference.(at least at lower ISO) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted June 9, 2010 Share #25 Posted June 9, 2010 All of these posts and threads are rehashing the same arguments. Fair enough, because they are crucial. The X1 is a fine handling camera with excellent ergonomics and IQ that is let down by slow AF. If Leica upgrades the AF, then the X1 will clearly outshine competitors (except for the issue of interchangeable lenses). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share #26 Posted June 9, 2010 All of these posts and threads are rehashing the same arguments. Fair enough, because they are crucial. The X1 is a fine handling camera with excellent ergonomics and IQ that is let down by slow AF. If Leica upgrades the AF, then the X1 will clearly outshine competitors (except for the issue of interchangeable lenses). I agree, I see the AF as the main but big problem. The other thing is that- IMO- the difference between a small sensor and m4/3 in IQ is considerably bigger than that difference between m4/3 and the x1. If there was no competition like the m4/3 cameras it would be easier to accept the AF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luposminor Posted June 9, 2010 Share #27 Posted June 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) One more thing I realized it seems shortes exposure time in auto iso is 1/30. Its the other way around. In the menu you find "Auto ISO Settings" and the second level submenu "Slowest Speed". There you can choose between 1/30, 1/15 or 1/8. So the range for the shutter speed (in A or P mode) depends on your setting: 1/8-1/2000 or 1/15-1/2000 or 1/30-1/2000. So the shortest exposure time is always 1/2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted June 9, 2010 Its the other way around. In the menu you find "Auto ISO Settings" and the second level submenu "Slowest Speed". There you can choose between 1/30, 1/15 or 1/8. So the range for the shutter speed (in A or P mode) depends on your setting: 1/8-1/2000 or 1/15-1/2000 or 1/30-1/2000. So the shortest exposure time is always 1/2000. Yes, but if I want to shoot a moving kid in changing light and want to use auto ISO 1/30 is just too long. I want to be able to choose 1/125 or 1/250 as slowest time and the camera to increase the ISO earlier (in case I need it). For still subjects where I can shoot 1/30 I dont need auto iso-because I have time. Hopefully Leica will fix this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted June 9, 2010 Share #29 Posted June 9, 2010 Why not set a shutter speed in that case, and set the rest to auto? I think I'm missing the problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 9, 2010 Share #30 Posted June 9, 2010 Is manual focusing guesstimating distance too cumbersome? I am thinking on street photography... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted June 9, 2010 Share #31 Posted June 9, 2010 Why not set a shutter speed in that case, and set the rest to auto? I think I'm missing the problem... Exactly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted June 9, 2010 Share #32 Posted June 9, 2010 Thank you - yes, but I assume the AF would be even worse? (but I should try this)Why would I need a camera with good high ISO if it doesnt focus good in low light? I have yet to find any improvement in focus speed in darkness with the light on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share #33 Posted June 11, 2010 Why not set a shutter speed in that case, and set the rest to auto? I think I'm missing the problem... because I usually like to preselect f-stop for DOF control. Other cameras including the M9 do offer to set shorter exp times than 1/30 as an option for the "longest exp time" menue in auto iso. If this is not changed the whole menue of "longest exp time" is nearly worthless IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share #34 Posted June 11, 2010 I have yet to find any improvement in focus speed in darkness with the light on. I only tried it once and did feel some difference, but I will exoeriment more. If you are right I will turn it off and never turn it on again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted June 11, 2010 Author Share #35 Posted June 11, 2010 Some more findings about the x1 vs E-P2: 1) The flash in the x1 is really nice for fill flash in bright conditions. This is indeed quite a plus of the x1 for my taste. 2) I now havecompared jpg vs raw and there seems to be quite a bit of NR in jpgs. While I do like color I getfrom jpg and find the quality fine for lower ISO, I would definatly prefer DNG for higher ISO. I dont understand why many cameras including the x1 do not offer a menue to setthe level of NR for in-camera-jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted June 11, 2010 Share #36 Posted June 11, 2010 h00ligan, The X1 Image stabilization only works when in JPEG mode only, not in DNG+JPEG. Then the camera takes 2 pictures to analyze for motion artifacts. I was puzzled initially as well. Having said that I don't find any real use for the IS on the X1. Toff, according to the X1 Manual, there is no such limitation. I use it for certain subjects, such as dark interiors where no flash is permitted. It seems to work well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted June 11, 2010 Share #37 Posted June 11, 2010 Some more findings about the x1 vs E-P2: 1) The flash in the x1 is really nice for fill flash in bright conditions. This is indeed quite a plus of the x1 for my taste. 2) I now havecompared jpg vs raw and there seems to be quite a bit of NR in jpgs. While I do like color I getfrom jpg and find the quality fine for lower ISO, I would definatly prefer DNG for higher ISO. I dont understand why many cameras including the x1 do not offer a menue to setthe level of NR for in-camera-jpg I only use my raw files. When noise becomes an issue, very rare in my work, I use Noise Ninja which is excellent, giving individual analysis rather than blanket filtering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted June 11, 2010 Share #38 Posted June 11, 2010 Toff, according to the X1 Manual, there is no such limitation. I use it for certain subjects, such as dark interiors where no flash is permitted. It seems to work well. Here in this Wiki artice is a detailed explanation of the X1's IS. Leica X1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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