Has anyone compared images with the NEX-5 ? the high iso images look better than X1

[patrick parker]

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Got an X1 few days ago and I came across this on dpreview . There is no keeping up with this stuff.

[patrick parker]

Sony NEX-5 Preview: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review

[markrune]

Am I the only person who thinks the camera looks riculous the lens is just so much bigger than the camera. The main advantages of this sort of camer should be size, something that can slip into a pocket, rather than need a camera bag, but this just does not seem to work. I love my Panasonic LX3 as it gives me loads of control and a 24mm-60mm equiv zoom, yes I would like a bigger zoom so I could get better depth of field control (would love an X1 if I could justify costs) but if I need a big zoom I will stick to my Nikon D300 and grip to balance out lens, if I need to pop something into my pockey it will be the lX3 and if I want something a bit lighter but with more control I can use my M8.

[Guest badbob]

Am I the only person who thinks the camera looks riculous the lens is just so much bigger than the camera. The main advantages of this sort of camer should be size, something that can slip into a pocket, rather than need a camera bag, but this just does not seem to work. I love my Panasonic LX3 as it gives me loads of control and a 24mm-60mm equiv zoom, yes I would like a bigger zoom so I could get better depth of field control (would love an X1 if I could justify costs) but if I need a big zoom I will stick to my Nikon D300 and grip to balance out lens, if I need to pop something into my pockey it will be the lX3 and if I want something a bit lighter but with more control I can use my M8.

 

To be or not to be is the question indeed. Just as people buy an X1 for its compactness and then add a viewfinder, grip, and possibly large-ish carry-bag, so too will people buy a Pana GF1 or Sony and then add a large lens to it. I personally carry an X1 for compactness and highest image quality, and a Canon SX210 pocket camera with 400mm zoom, which is much smaller than the X1. Carrying both of these is less cumbersome than carrying that Sony with the big lens, but (here's the catch) keeping both small cameras operational and ready to shoot is nearly impossible, due to the forced shutoff times of each being very short with no option to change. Which makes me think a more ideal solution might be something like that interchangeable-lens-module camera where each module contains both sensor and lens, so if I use the short lens I can have the big sensor too.

[nippa]

If Sony had built the NEX series with the same sensor as the X1 and then added some Zeiss lenses we might have had a real competition for image quality.

To my eye the test images all look poor ( but then I thought that when I saw the first X1 images on DPREVIEW.COM )

 

It will be interesting to see if they sell the body only as I have some Zeiss Alpha fit lenses already,

[h00ligan]

To be or not to be is the question indeed. Just as people buy an X1 for its compactness and then add a viewfinder, grip, and possibly large-ish carry-bag, so too will people buy a Pana GF1 or Sony and then add a large lens to it. I personally carry an X1 for compactness and highest image quality, and a Canon SX210 pocket camera with 400mm zoom, which is much smaller than the X1. Carrying both of these is less cumbersome than carrying that Sony with the big lens, but (here's the catch) keeping both small cameras operational and ready to shoot is nearly impossible, due to the forced shutoff times of each being very short with no option to change. Which makes me think a more ideal solution might be something like that interchangeable-lens-module camera where each module contains both sensor and lens, so if I use the short lens I can have the big sensor too.

 

I've found myself being content with a prime in the neighbourhood of the x1 in the panasonic 20..but >iso 800 is tough..even 400 is noisy (may be user error, I see a fair amount of noise even at 400, correctable though). At any rate I have realized that in most cases I am shooting stuff pretty close and as such have been thinking about a decent compact zoom and an x1 or similar..with an ok 55-250 on my older rebel..seems like if I am getting most of my shots at 40mm equiv that's where I should care about spending the most money. Anyway, it's ever changing. I can also add there's a lot of polarity on dpreview, with many people saying with the lenses that autofocus (all kit at this point) the cam is a stinker, including user interface. The couple of great shots (not the preview samples) were taken with adapted mount legacy lenses that are bit large and don't support af. I am sure the argument for nex is the same as mft..it can be jacket pocketable with the prime..but with no is and a soft 2.8 lens, I doubt it will win as many supporters as mft among photographers, though likely well with pas up graders.

 

Just throwing some thoughts around.

[Nei1]

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Take a look at the test images on the imaging resource, Digital Cameras, Sony Alpha NEX-5 Digital Camera Test Image

 

this ones at 200asa and looks good to me,..the high asa shots are ,to my eye,very good.

 

ps.......is there the possibility of pollitics here?The imaging resource was granted the first review and dpreview asked to hold off with its full review(according to dpreview).Am I just an old cynic or could this be influencing the quality of photographs shown?

[h00ligan]

Well similarly, many have expressed that ir may be a payola type review..it's OVERWHELMINGLY positive and many don't feel the sample shots come close to the praise given in that review. I'll leave that for those much more qualified than myself, but if you winder one way, gotta wonder the other way in my opinion(as a nearly professional cynic).

 

Btw, nothing wrong with cynicism. A cynic is just a disappointed optimist.

[jsrockit]

Am I the only person who thinks the camera looks riculous the lens is just so much bigger than the camera.

 

No, I think the NEX-5 is a bit ridiculous as well. The NEX-3 is actually a little larger and looks better with the pancake lens... to me, at under $500 street with lens for a 24mm lens, a larger sensor and a tiny body... it is a no brainer. I'd only use it as a true point and shoot though. I'll take a red one please:

 

[tyler]

If my dog was that ugly I'd paint a face on his behind and teach him to walk backwards....

[jdlnmia]

I must admit, they all look rather awkward. I also think that the image quality is not that stellar. However, I may be proven wrong once a production NEX3/NEX5 is put through its paces! There's no getting around that fact that all of the romance of the camera-photographer relationship goes out the window with the Sonys though.

[Guest]

I must admit, they all look rather awkward. I also think that the image quality is not that stellar. However, I may be proven wrong once a production NEX3/NEX5 is put through its paces! There's no getting around that fact that all of the romance of the camera-photographer relationship goes out the window with the Sonys though.

 

With the arrival of the new Sony?

I'll found out soon, since I've ordered a NEX-5 with the 16mm and paid for it.

Posted starting 9/9/09 raving about the X1 and followed other peoples' experiences before (not) investing. Let's see if I'm lucky twice, this time with a "blind date" and no hesitation :D .

It's a camera, only the pictures matter .

 

Cheers!

[jsrockit]

I trust Leica so I knew I could buy the X1 blind, but I can't buy this Sony blind... I need to see it.

[Guest badbob]

I trust Leica so I knew I could buy the X1 blind, but I can't buy this Sony blind... I need to see it.

 

Seeing is one thing - getting long-term (at least a year?) performance is another. Sony small electronics are notoriously unreliable, and the service centers are a bad joke. At least with Leica they do real Leica repairs on the equipment.

[jsrockit]

Seeing is one thing - getting long-term (at least a year?) performance is another. Sony small electronics are notoriously unreliable, and the service centers are a bad joke. At least with Leica they do real Leica repairs on the equipment.

 

Yeah, I hear ya. However, Leica NJ isn't exactly the best repair center either... it takes months to get anything done. I've owned sony digital cameras in the past and the only complaint I had was that the batteries died ridiculously fast. Outside of that, they lasted for well over a year.

[h00ligan]

My experience as a technologist with Sony is that their high end stuff seems to do pretty well..the inexpensive stuff tends to break easily. What would concern me more now is new mount and sony'swillingness to just eol complete lines of products offering no further support. A nex3/5 with prime may be fine for a pocket cam, I wouldn't expect to still be using it in two years.

[jsrockit]

A nex3/5 with prime may be fine for a pocket cam, I wouldn't expect to still be using it in two years.

 

And it is priced accordingly... most P&S cameras, besides the truly special ones, aren't worth using for more than 2 years.

[h00ligan]

true.

[Guest Chris M]

My experience as a technologist with Sony is that their high end stuff seems to do pretty well..the inexpensive stuff tends to break easily. What would concern me more now is new mount and sony'swillingness to just eol complete lines of products offering no further support. A nex3/5 with prime may be fine for a pocket cam, I wouldn't expect to still be using it in two years.

 

I'm not quite convinced that what your saying about Sony "stuff" except for there high end "stuff" tends too break. I've owned and still own sony camcorders ei; SonyPD170 and its 9 years old and has thousands of hours of DT on it, and only went back once for a full service and a blue chip replaced, also my children are still using and older coolpix cam 4 mega pixle and it beat up but still produces useable 8x10's. and a consumer can expect it too be done with?? I no as well as you do that camera technologies, are moving forward, but they are pretty (MAX) out at what is available today and for tomorrow. AS you can see all of the players now are just trying too market there stuff differently, in shapes and lens, mostly "renaming the chips and spec's" too make it sell able, but thing have really slowwed down quite a bit, and in this world of digi cams, ei; Handi Cams, I don't think we as consumers will see a whole lot of improvement in this area for awhile. Just my opinion though.

Hooligan what is a "Sony Technologist", did you work as a repair guy at there Service center? If so please tell me about it, I'm curious too no about what kind of workers they hire? are they electrical engineers? with Bachelor Science Degree's or Masters Degree's? Just want to no what kind of qualifications one must have too be a Sony Technologist. And I own just about everything Sony TV's Playstation 3's PSP's Telephones etc... and nothing has broke yet, making a (blanket) statement that there low end cheap stuff dosn't tend too last is probable because the end user is abusive with it and isn't careful with the :sony stuff" ? I'm not sure? but I have friends that are way to ruff and abusive with there equipment, and it always breaks weather it low end stuff or high end stuff. So in summary , I would disagree with you on your opinions too (why the "lower end Sony Stuff" tends too break. And thats been my personal experience, its usually the person or persons that cause lower end stuff too break or fail, not so much the company, all though, there is allot of CHEAP SHIT floating around out there, and seems too become available too the blind consumer who looks at the big words and flashy pizzaz of the product before (really understanding what it is. As far as the NEX#3 and5 are concerned . I think that Sony has made a bold statement on there own and (I) believe that this NEX5 and Nex3 are where the compact digi cams are heading, smaller custom primes and zooms that can easly be carried in your jacket or pockets, I'm waiting for mine,NEX5 and the16mm and the 18-200mm lens. I like the 2 reviews, and think more great stuff is on its way, I've been a loyal Leica guy, and Sony guy, why because the have not failed me once under the most severe conditions, so thats it for me. Tell me more about Sony, I'm interested.

 

Best, chris m

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[jsrockit]

A review:

 

State of the Art - Sony’s Entry in the Big Sensor-Small Camera Race - NYTimes.com