X1 tele and wide

[KevinA]

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Would they sell, I think so, I don't mean add on optics but a tele camera and a wide camera or even a range of them. The main reason for going a Oly or Panny route is the lens swapping capability, not picture quality. I think a lot of photographers would like a dedicated wide and tele camera, say about 24mm and 120mm.

Anyone else think it would work?

 

Kevin.

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[Guest stnami]

Nah a 24 will never work............. ask sony

[jsrockit]

The X1 may be Leica's last fixed lens camera. I wouldn't buy another X1 just for a different lens length. One was expensive enough... for 24mm, I'll get the "cheap" Sony.

[321Whitewillow]

Would they sell, I think so, I don't mean add on optics but a tele camera and a wide camera or even a range of them. The main reason for going a Oly or Panny route is the lens swapping capability, not picture quality. I think a lot of photographers would like a dedicated wide and tele camera, say about 24mm and 120mm.

Anyone else think it would work?

 

Kevin.

Here's a simple wide angle solution and you wont need any new lens for your x1. Buy a panoramic head/tripod and some stitching software. For example..a Kaidan or a Nodal Ninja. You can easily make a 360 degree wide panoramic photo with your x1 if you really want to do it.

[NZDavid]

Here's a simple wide angle solution and you wont need any new lens for your x1. Buy a panoramic head/tripod and some stitching software. For example..a Kaidan or a Nodal Ninja. You can easily make a 360 degree wide panoramic photo with your x1 if you really want to do it.

 

Not the same thing. A W/A is useful not just for packing stuff in but for the different perspective, or spatial relationships, you get -- eg, close-up portrait with building in background. You can't do everything with software!

 

I recall Nikon had a 28 and 35 version of their compact film camera, but I think interchangeable lenses are far more useful.

[Guest badbob]

Would they sell, I think so, I don't mean add on optics but a tele camera and a wide camera or even a range of them. The main reason for going a Oly or Panny route is the lens swapping capability, not picture quality. I think a lot of photographers would like a dedicated wide and tele camera, say about 24mm and 120mm.

Anyone else think it would work?

Kevin.

 

A zoom, as long as reasonably possible, would be welcome on an X1-type camera. But to keep the same size of sensor would necessarily make the lens protrude even further than the equivalent lens on a Panasonic GF1 or Oly Pen. Unless Leica would create a collapsible lens with *much* greater extension and sophistication than what they've ever created before. And ask yourself, if they did this, and promised to maintain the same quality as in the current fixed lens, at wide and full telephoto, and everywhere in between, what would that cost? I'm guessing that camera would have to cost $4000 or more.

[KevinA]

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Here's a simple wide angle solution and you wont need any new lens for your x1. Buy a panoramic head/tripod and some stitching software. For example..a Kaidan or a Nodal Ninja. You can easily make a 360 degree wide panoramic photo with your x1 if you really want to do it.

 

It amazes me the number of people that think stitching is a standard way to make pictures, sure it's good on occasions, but to base not buying a lens or the right tool, on the possibility you might be able to stitch I just don't get. Having to cart around and set up a tripod and special head just to take a wide view does not make sense for most pictures. Especially if you bought a X1 for it's size and convenience. Neither does spending more time at a computer putting it together.

 

Kevin.

[KevinA]

The X1 may be Leica's last fixed lens camera. I wouldn't buy another X1 just for a different lens length. One was expensive enough... for 24mm, I'll get the "cheap" Sony.

 

Are we talking the Nex here? If the Sony is the answer to a wide, it is also the answer to the X1 as is.

Kevin.

[jsrockit]

Are we talking the Nex here? If the Sony is the answer to a wide, it is also the answer to the X1 as is.

Kevin.

 

Yes, I prefer the lower end NEX-3 with the 16mm lens. At under $500 street, I can't see myself not having one.

 

Now, to me...this is not a substitute for the X1 at all. The X1, for my purposes and taste, is the clearly superior camera... but that is just because I like classic controls, Leica style, and minimal menus. I love the X1, but I can understand why it isn't for everyone. That said this sony will make a nice companion.

[Guest Chris M]

Not to be off topic, but I too am considering a camera with auto focus, that will give me more reach also, I here the Canon S90 has files as good as the M9 when Processed in Capture One 5 Pro at end results of A3 and A4 final out puts, but the sony I like because I can go 16mm equivalant too a 35mm, and what about the longer side for the Sony X3 do the have like a 55-200mm ? or some thing similar?

 

chris m

[jsrockit]

I here the Canon S90 has files as good as the M9 when Processed in Capture One 5 Pro at end results of A3 and A4 final out puts

 

I doubt this is really true. Sure, if the conditions are exactly right and at a lower ISO, you can get something that may as good as the M9, but not consistently.

[h00ligan]

I'll take that a step farther. One super lucky planets aligning shot may come close to some of the worst m9 shots I have seen. Add to tht the s90 has some of the worst ergonomics I've ever experienced...the back wheel that spins and spins changing ev..can't be turned off ( reassigned I believe). I hated that cam, the dl4 was a way better cam ergonomically. I took an s90 to the zoo, horrible experience. I would have rather had an hx5v or zs7 in pocket honestly.

 

That said I have relatively large hands..but I really didn't think the s90 beat the lx3/dl4 in iq or any other department except maybe really low light / flash.

[Guest badbob]

I would expect the Canon S90 to produce visible noise on most shots that aren't ideal in terms of lighting and contrast. Worse yet is the look of that noise. By the time you remove it the results won't compare to an average X1 image.

[Guest Chris M]

I'll take that a step farther. One super lucky planets aligning shot may come close to some of the worst m9 shots I have seen. Add to tht the s90 has some of the worst ergonomics I've ever experienced...the back wheel that spins and spins changing ev..can't be turned off ( reassigned I believe). I hated that cam, the dl4 was a way better cam ergonomically. I took an s90 to the zoo, horrible experience. I would have rather had an hx5v or zs7 in pocket honestly.

 

That said I have relatively large hands..but I really didn't think the s90 beat the lx3/dl4 in iq or any other department except maybe really low light / flash.

 

I'm just quoting from Ken Rockwell's website when I mentioned that, he apparently has allot of good to say about the Canon S90 and to stay far away from the Leica Vlux 20 and the panasonic clone of it. You can read what he has to say at his website though. However I'm not here to discuss that. That is not the topic, my off topic question was in regards to a companion auto focus cam particularly on the longer side, I'm curious about the New Sony nex3 it has a 16mm pancake, but does anybody know if they will have a longer lens, like a 55-200

My X1 is on its way, just looking for a longer lens companion that is Small, but shoots in RAW with a the newer sensors, and a little bit bigger (sensor size) then the VLux 20 and its Panasonic Clone. I'm agreeing with Ken Rockwell on this one. He highly recommends the X1 and M9 BTW.

 

chris m.

chris m.

[jsrockit]

Chris M, aren't you at least a little suspicious that every compact camera he talks about is a Canon? Seems a bit fishy to me, especially since he trys to make money on that site.

[h00ligan]

I don't think Ken rockwell is a good photographer, at all.

 

I don't think Ken rockwell is a good technologist at all.

 

He posts images at thumbnail sizes that look like snapshots and makes outrageous claims like...I can ditch my $8000 rig for a $200 pocket cam..best cam evar!!! (this week).

 

If he is a capable photographer, he's not posting those shots on his site, I've seen people who have shot for months and achieved what he has in years based on his samples. Which is why I don't get why people even bother with his site...not to mention that he is a neophyte and clearly stirs the you know what to get page hits.

 

You man want to look at the Sony hx5v for a long tele pocket...I used a friends briefly and I think all things considered for q pocket uperzoom it was pretty good...but it's a much longer zoom than the s90 and less control. Better ergonomics arguably.

[jsrockit]

He posts images at thumbnail sizes that look like snapshots...

 

I'm not sticking up for him, but snapshots aren't necessarily a bad thing. Many people choose this style because they like it:

 

Snapshot aesthetic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I wouldn't call him a bad photographer at all. I don't like his style, but he's better than many who post in this section.

[Guest badbob]

I'm not sticking up for him, but snapshots aren't necessarily a bad thing. Many people choose this style because they like it:

I wouldn't call him a bad photographer at all. I don't like his style, but he's better than many who post in this section.

 

Rockwell has posted full-rez photos from the Leica M9, with direct comparisons to other cameras' photos of the same scene, and as I remember, the M9's were clearly superior. Rockwell even says that, but later in other posts he disses the M9 and Leica in general for "correct color" problems or whatever. I don't have a problem with that. Leica is pretty much in a world of its own anyway.

 

When Rockwell praises a Canon S90 and disses the Lumix superzooms, it's apples and oranges - not comparable. If you take photos of birds and etc. at a fair distance with the 300mm zoom of the ZS3 or ZS7, and then take the same photo at the same distance with the S90, the S90's image will look like crap, because you don't have the zoom capability. Same deal with the X1 - if you have to crop the X1's images severely enough, they'll look bad too. You have to get close enough for good framing, and with no zoom, that may not be possible in a lot of cases.

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[dickgrafixstop]

Leica has several medium range zoom designs from earlier film cameras designed to

cover the 35mm image space. Certainly a 40-105 type modification (on aps chip size)

would have little appeal, but an X1 (or X2) with a 24-75 zoom would be appealing and is

certainly within the engineering prowess of our friends in Solms. The optics from the

digilux 2/3 would be too large but might be a good place to start. Personally I'd prefer

a CL type solution with wide/normal/short tele options - and it wouldn't have to be M

mount compatible or with superfast lenses.

[Guest Chris M]

;)I'm no spring chicken, I know exactly whats up !! I too (used too be biased) against anything that wasn't Leica, after all I have 40 years under my belt of (strictly) Leica. However, I'm back in that relentless search for a (SMALL IN SIZE CAM) but with the added reach, 70-300mm thats portable, I like the idea of the (newest) release from Sony, the NEX5 with interchangeable lens, I just searched there website and answered my own question, LOL so I am going down to my local dealer and am buying the new Sony Nex5 with the 16mm pancake and am ordering the Sony DT 55-250mm additional lens, so there's my new kit, an X1 and a Sony NEX5 w/ 55mm-250mm lens, all set for Yosemite, I'm waiting for the Luigi half case to show up after I return from my trip.

 

Ps I've been shooting a Sony PD170) Video Cam and wouldn't replace it with allot of the junk being produced today, just up rez-it with red giant software and convert to 24p and you have real HD resolution, 1080P, color correction etc;) FINAL CUT PRO

 

Thanks too all for your comments,

 

chris m.