M9 - firmware bugs encountered (User Profile)

[clinn]

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Hi did anybody note the following? can anybody test on his M9?

 

Firmware 1.116

A)

store 'Profile 1' as reported in manual and name it let's say '35mm'.

in 'SET' > User Profile you see the profile listed as '35mm'

but when you go back to 'Save User Profile' you see 'Profile 1' as it has not been named at all

annoying because you have to remember how many profiles you stored to add a new one.

 

by 'SET' key menu, load a User Profile, let's say '35mm', previuosly stored.

then choose any voice in 'Selftimer' menu (2, 12 sec or off)

then go back to 'SET' key menu: the User Profile loaded is no longer loaded and the menu item it '-'

 

I already wrote to Leica on this.

let me know...and let leica know, for fix in future firmware version...

regards

clinn

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[mjh]

store 'Profile 1' as reported in manual and name it let's say '35mm'.

in 'SET' > User Profile you see the profile listed as '35mm'

but when you go back to 'Save User Profile' you see 'Profile 1' as it has not been named at all

annoying because you have to remember how many profiles you stored to add a new one.

If you press SET to select “Profile 1”, the camera will show its current name, i.e. “35mm” in your case. This name does also show up both as the name of the currently selected profile and in the list of profiles when selecting a profile.

 

by 'SET' key menu, load a User Profile, let's say '35mm', previuosly stored.

then choose any voice in 'Selftimer' menu (2, 12 sec or off)

then go back to 'SET' key menu: the User Profile loaded is no longer loaded and the menu item it '-'

Yes, and the same thing happens when you change anything else, i.e. it’s not just the self-timer menu. And it makes sense: Your profile defines all these settings and when you change one, it is no longer your previously selected profile that is in force, but a modification thereof. That’s what the camera tells you by displaying “–” as the current profile. Selecting your profile again will reset the self-timer and anything else you might have changed, just as it should.

[Guest roey]

And it makes sense: Your profile defines all these settings and when you change one, it is no longer your previously selected profile that is in force, but a modification thereof.

 

And it would make even more sense if it displayed something like "[35mm]+" to indicate that the last profile you selected was "35mm" but that you have changed some setting since then. For users who consistently manage certain base settings (e.g. the manual lens selection) via profile and then use the set menu to e.g. dial in an exposure compensation this would be very helpful.

[jaapv]

Ok. So it is not a bug but a development wish.

[mjh]

And it would make even more sense if it displayed something like "[35mm]+" to indicate that the last profile you selected was "35mm" but that you have changed some setting since then.

Agreed.

[carlmuck]

so how many things do o change before it's no longer 35mm+? or are you asking for multiple +'s?

 

I believe from a human factors perspective the current behavior is correct.

 

if you save a profile and use it then display that name. if you are not using a profile then display "-".

 

c.

[Guest roey]

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so how many things do o change before it's no longer 35mm+? or are you asking for multiple +'s?

One + is sufficient and it should stay 35mm+ until I choose a different profile.

[ho_co]

Roey, not to be argumentative, but I agree with Carl.

 

What if you had changed all parameters, so that what you're shooting has no similarity to your "35 mm" preset? What would then be the benefit of reading "35 mm +"?

[Guest roey]

I don't mind a good argument Howard

 

For me this makes a lot of sense, since I use my profiles to control a very limited set of settings that all require going to the main menu. I never override these settings directly, I always use the profiles. As it currently stands, if I just change the ISO or dial in exposure compensation I no longer have the information of what basic profile I have applied. I either have to go to the main menu to find out or I have to apply a profile and lose all overrides.

 

I realize that not everybody uses profiles this way. But I believe that making this change to the way profiles work won't hurt anybody, but would be a great improvement for my way of using profiles.

[clinn]

If you press SET to select “Profile 1”, the camera will show its current name, i.e. “35mm” in your case. This name does also show up both as the name of the currently selected profile and in the list of profiles when selecting a profile.

 

Correct, but if you want at a certain moment store another profile, when you go to store it the list shows 'Store as 1, Store as 2'...with no names and no indications of what slot(s) are already used, this is annoying because you have to remember where you've stored previous User Profiles, letting you to overwrire any of them unwillingly.

 

Yes, and the same thing happens when you change anything else, i.e. it’s not just the self-timer menu. And it makes sense: Your profile defines all these settings and when you change one, it is no longer your previously selected profile that is in force, but a modification thereof. That’s what the camera tells you by displaying “–” as the current profile. Selecting your profile again will reset the self-timer and anything else you might have changed, just as it should.

 

No problems with 'loosing' the current active profile when changing parameters (even if a warning sign is higly appreciated) but why with selftimer setting? selftimer is a 'general mode' IMO. Why not reset active profile name when selecting 'Continuous shooting' or switching between Auto exposure and Manual exposure?

 

In the end I can live with this 'Operating Philosophy', the rest is amazing !!

Thanks

[mjh]

Correct, but if you want at a certain moment store another profile, when you go to store it the list shows 'Store as 1, Store as 2'...with no names and no indications of what slot(s) are already used, this is annoying because you have to remember where you've stored previous User Profiles, letting you to overwrire any of them unwillingly.

The camera shows the name of the profile when you attempt to edit it; surely you cannot miss that hint? At worst it’s a matter of “Oops, wrong profile, try the next one”; there is no way the name could be overwritten accidentally.

 

No problems with 'loosing' the current active profile when changing parameters (even if a warning sign is higly appreciated) but why with selftimer setting?

All the menu settings are created equal, including the self-timer. It is stored in a profile just as any other setting is.

 

Why not reset active profile name when selecting 'Continuous shooting' or switching between Auto exposure and Manual exposure?

Because neither of those selections is a menu setting.

[FMB]

In my camera M9, in Play mode, the info screen says

 

Batería: (?) Profile XXX

 

Francisco.