pop Posted April 10, 2010 Share #21 Posted April 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would place a small bet on the de-bayering. Is there any possibility at all of the bayer filters being displaced by some small distance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shade Posted April 10, 2010 Author Share #22 Posted April 10, 2010 I won't be back until tomorrow, so I'll post it when I get back. The error seems to be on all sorts of iso level, and no, I had an iso 2000 shot yesterday, and it was quite visible. Well I think I'd have to take this in to Leica. But I swapped to a new sd card today, so let's see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 10, 2010 Author Share #23 Posted April 10, 2010 I won't be back until tomorrow, so I'll post it when I get back. The error seems to be on all sorts of iso level, and no, I had an iso 2000 shot yesterday, and it was quite visible. Well I think I'd have to take this in to Leica. But I swapped to a new sd card today, so let's see. Also I'm pretty sure now its a processing problem. When I go to preview, you know when you scroll through your pictures, you get a semi-blurry pic before you get a sharper picture in 1-2 seconds right? I don't see any of the error during the blurry pics, but then the error shows as it sharpens up. In addition, if I zoom to the smallest preview (4 pics per page), I also can't see the errors. But unfortunately, the error is still there if I zoom in. So somehow its complicated.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share #24 Posted April 11, 2010 After I swapped sd card, and turned my preview from 5s to off, I haven't got any errors yet. Seems like the preview is doing something wrong, or my SD.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted April 11, 2010 Share #25 Posted April 11, 2010 We've got fingers crossed for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 11, 2010 Author Share #26 Posted April 11, 2010 No good guys. Nothing I do could stop the error from occuring. I sent an email to customer.service@leica-camera.com yesterday, but no reply yet. But I'm going to drop it in at my dealer today, along with my SF58, and have them check. Who knows my SF58 caused a short circuit or whatnot. Anyhow, here's another sample, that's worse than the one I posted before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 12, 2010 Author Share #27 Posted April 12, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) More errors... even during daytime! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted April 12, 2010 Share #28 Posted April 12, 2010 Assuming those vertical lines are in the original and not an artifact of posting to the web - yeah, I'd say you have a sick camera that needs to go to Germany. Seems like it is getting progressively worse (if the pix you've posted are more or less in sequence), so it is probably something that began to fail recently and will go out altogether fairly shortly. My guess is still that it is not the sensor itself, rather the image processor. But that probably doesn't make much difference - it will still mean taking it fully apart and replacing a chip and/or circuit board, whichever bit of silicon it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 13, 2010 Author Share #29 Posted April 13, 2010 The "amount" of error is inconsistent. They're not always more, or less, sometimes theres only very few, but noticable. Anyhow, I checked Leica Singapore (closest to me), and they crosschecked with Germany, and told me that it is indicated as a sensory board problem. Now I guess it's either the sensor, or the data transfer on the sensor *board* is faulty. I will also send it my SF58 flash along with it, and my memory card and battery as well. So they can check if there's anything wrong with any of my electrical system that causes it. They told me it's going to take +/- 10 weeks if sent to Germany, +/- 3 weeks if sent to HongKong for repair. Is there any difference between those two repair stations? I'd highly prefer the Hongkong one, 7 weeks faster is a huge factor for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 21, 2010 Author Share #30 Posted April 21, 2010 How long does replacing a sensor board/sensor usually take? Any ideas guys? Been a week since I sent it and still no news. I had to send to Singapore first, then re-route to Hongkong (Singapore for error confirmation - they want to try to handle the problem). But it was sent to HK 5 days ago.. And Leica Singapore told me HK Leica haven't received it yet. When I call Leica Singapore, their service officer was not being very friendly.. He was like "oh pls pls pls, I will let you know if they received it".. Gah! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted April 21, 2010 Share #31 Posted April 21, 2010 Surely you've answered your own question? "They told me it's going to take +/- 10 weeks if sent to Germany, +/- 3 weeks if sent to HongKong for repair." When I sent my original M8 in for electronics repair (to Leica USA, which sent it on to Leica Germany), 10 weeks was about right. April 1 to mid-June. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 21, 2010 Author Share #32 Posted April 21, 2010 Problem is, the amount of time stated was a temporary guess. The guy told me he would re-confirm once he receives the item (Leica Singapore). But as of today, I'm unaware if my M9 have reached HongKong and cleared customs yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted April 24, 2010 Share #33 Posted April 24, 2010 The "amount" of error is inconsistent. They're not always more, or less, sometimes theres only very few, but noticable. Anyhow, I checked Leica Singapore (closest to me), and they crosschecked with Germany, and told me that it is indicated as a sensory board problem. Now I guess it's either the sensor, or the data transfer on the sensor *board* is faulty. I will also send it my SF58 flash along with it, and my memory card and battery as well. So they can check if there's anything wrong with any of my electrical system that causes it. They told me it's going to take +/- 10 weeks if sent to Germany, +/- 3 weeks if sent to HongKong for repair. Is there any difference between those two repair stations? I'd highly prefer the Hongkong one, 7 weeks faster is a huge factor for me. i advise you to call or email the hong kong service centre (schmidt), telling them about the fault as you've decribed here. send them some files as well and ask if they have spare parts in stock for replacement. The technicians there are brilliant and efficient from my experience. if they don't have the parts, they need to order them from germany which could take the same amount of time as sending it back to germany itself for repair yourself, if you see what i mean so check that first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted April 25, 2010 Author Share #34 Posted April 25, 2010 Just checked, they said it should all be done on monday. Thx all.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgp Posted May 28, 2010 Share #35 Posted May 28, 2010 any suggestions as to the large artifact here.... M9 jpeg out of camera, it is not then present on raw dng file (or after processing) camera jpeg error or sensor Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/117785-sensor-problem/?do=findComment&comment=1336895'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2010 Share #36 Posted May 28, 2010 If it is not on the DNG, then it is an error in the JPG processing or a write error on the SD card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 28, 2010 Share #37 Posted May 28, 2010 Just backing up what Jaap said: As I understand it, the M8 and M9 produce the DNG first, then apparently derive the JPG from it. I would send a copy of the file to Stefan Daniel and let him know that it's on JPG only, not on DNG. There've been several reports of similar problems on DNG, so it might help Leica find the problem if they're aware it can happen this late in the chain. BTW--You're talking about the regular green pattern, right? What's the cause of the red blurring? Is that also part of the effect you're speaking of? I haven't seen anything like that before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgp Posted May 28, 2010 Share #38 Posted May 28, 2010 ho_co, this shot was an accident, it is my blurred hand in front of the lens, should have deleted it, but noticed the green blocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted May 28, 2010 Author Share #39 Posted May 28, 2010 I just had that green patch thing on my jpeg file.. Good thing it didn't affect the dng as well.. I think this should be a firmware related issue.. I wonder when the next update will be.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 29, 2010 Share #40 Posted May 29, 2010 ho_co, this shot was an accident, it is my blurred hand in front of the lens, should have deleted it, but noticed the green blocks Good! Now I recognize the hand! I'm glad it wasn't on an otherwise good shot, but I'd send a description and a copy of the file to Stefan Daniel just to be sure Leica gets as much information as possible. There have been a few similar occurrences IIRC; very likely a firmware or timing problem that can be fixed with new firmware once Leica figures out what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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