X1 vs the M9 for low light only

[h00ligan]

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I don't recall Emma posting any shots with any camera.

[Guest X1s]

50k-60k on equipment! In that case what are we messing around for? If you are so fortunate why not have posted your own 35mm 2.8asph X1-M9-S2 comparison for us long ago??? What insights we could have gained! It would have been the final word! Instead you chose to assert without evidence that everyone else was wrong- when you could have just snapped 3 photos and posted them yourself?

 

By the way are you a celebrity? Because it seems you need to somehow add to the prestige of Leica Camera just by name to be able to buy an S2 right now.

 

Rich Hubby, I don't need to defend myself or produce anything, this is just a forum, think what you like? thats the great thing about forums! as I have stated, I beleive there are more M9 owners than X1 owners though.

 

Have a great day:)

 

emma

[ChiILX1]

Rich Hubby, I don't need to defend myself or produce anything, this is just a forum, think what you like? thats the great thing about forums! as I have stated, I beleive there are more M9 owners than X1 owners though.

 

Have a great day:)

 

emma

 

So let me get this straight-

 

You are the only person I've seen on this thread that claims to own an X1, M9, and S2 all at once. Ok.

 

You come onto this thread saying the X1 "gets smoked" when compared to the M9. Ok.

 

Someone takes time to post great photos, antithetical to your assertions, which in many peoples eyes demonstrate the X1's excellent performance. You trash them. Ok.

 

But you are refusing to take a few minutes and demonstrate the difference you claim to see with your own photos? I would love to see the difference as I think many would. Why refuse?

 

Do you have a site where we can see your shots with the s2 and m9 and X1?

[h00ligan]

I'm actually pretty convinced that she doesn't own any Leica. Looking back on the posting history looks like pure internet troll.

 

Also, I don't know too many rich men that would marry someone who didn't know the basic difference between they're, there, and their. Someone who often seems to get even basic English wrong. To be honest there are too many pretty women that have higher than a high school education to choose from when you have that kind of money.

 

Overall, you're better off ignoring her, she hasn't added one thing of note since she's been around - at least in the x1 forum.

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I don't know too many rich men that would marry someone who didn't know the basic difference between they're, there, and their. Someone who often seems to get even basic English wrong. To be honest there are too many pretty women that have higher than a high school education to choose from when you have that kind of money..

 

I pity you. You really think that way about people, don't you?

[h00ligan]

You pity me because in my experience rich men seek partners with a certain level of communication skills, class, education?

 

What can I say? I know plenty of wealthy people, they don't tend to gravitate towards low education or intellect, let alone sour attitude displayed by her over and over and over.

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You pity me because in my experience rich men seek partners with a certain level of communication skills, class, education?

 

What can I say? I know plenty of wealthy people, they don't tend to gravitate towards low education or intellect, let alone sour attitude displayed by her over and over and over.

 

So you know wealthy people. Lucky you.

 

So you haven't ever met intelligent legasthenics? You think it takes much wealth to own about 100k worth of camera gear when most bank clerks own cars worth much more than that? You think rich guys are so stupid to shop for women by looks and CV?

 

Well.

[ChiILX1]

I'm actually pretty convinced that she doesn't own any Leica. Looking back on the posting history looks like pure internet troll.

 

Until I see the EXIF data and the images, I'll assume you're right. If she had all that it seems obvious she would have posted an image or two.

 

Salahi of the Leica forum.

[h00ligan]

No, I don't think rich guys shop for wives based on looks or cv.I know very few who, given the circles in which they travel, don't have the opportunity to mix with (and ultimately wind up falling in love with) someone who possess a basic command of English and lack the sour attitude seen since she joined the site.

[phancj]

All I can say is I am seriously doubtful about emma owning any leica at all, more from her statement earlier about how we should look at non-leicas. If anything she should have stated how the M9 and S2 excels over the X1, but she didnt. At the end of it all, I genuinely wanted to wish her well with her hunt for camera, then she surprised me with the fact that she has both S2 and M9. I will hold my speculation on this but enough said that logically from her prior posts she seemed to contradict this.

 

Another thing, why the assumption that 1) she is married or has a spouse 2) That she is rich somehow 3) That she is actually a she?? (from her posts she may be a man)

 

Just thinking aloud..

[ChiILX1]

All I can say is I am seriously doubtful about emma owning any leica at all, more from her statement earlier about how we should look at non-leicas. If anything she should have stated how the M9 and S2 excels over the X1, but she didnt. At the end of it all, I genuinely wanted to wish her well with her hunt for camera, then she surprised me with the fact that she has both S2 and M9. I will hold my speculation on this but enough said that logically from her prior posts she seemed to contradict this.

 

Another thing, why the assumption that 1) she is married or has a spouse 2) That she is rich somehow 3) That she is actually as she??

 

Just thinking aloud..

 

Yeah... "her" previous posts left the impression of owning several DSLRs, quite a collection then.

 

I think this is one of those cases where it turns out to be some 14 year old kid... And in this case a 14 year old kid who thinks forums are a great place to start pretending to be a girl. Unless of course, the next generation has REALLY turned around where young girls are so into photography and Leicas that they go onto forums to live a fantasy and waste everyones time... But because of how absurd it sounds I consider it more likely it's a boy...

 

Anyway- anyone want to do any M9 and X1 low light comparisons? I'm really curious to isolate the sensor difference if anyone can mount their 35mm elmarit 2.8 for the shots and shoot both at each ISO. RAW if possible. Thanks

[ChiILX1]

Let me be clear- I'm not looking for a noctilux-X1 comparison. X1 elemarit (35mm equivalent) vs. 35mm elmarit M9 is the ideal comparison to isolate the sensor as the explanation for any IQ differences. Same aperture, same ISOs, same shutter speeds. Thanks

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Let me be clear- I'm not looking for a noctilux-X1 comparison. X1 elemarit (35mm equivalent) vs. 35mm elmarit M9 is the ideal comparison to isolate the sensor as the explanation for any IQ differences. Same aperture, same ISOs, same shutter speeds. Thanks

 

It has been said in this thread that (a) when there's very little light and contrast, manually focusing the M9 will be more accurate and more reliable than autofocusing the X1 and ( once both cameras are properly focused the X1 will produce the better image quality.

[NZDavid]

From my initial foray with the X1 on a trip to Germany, the camera turned in pretty decent images @ ISO 3200 handheld. Inside wasn't too bad either, but focus on moving subject is very tricky. And watch out for the red IR beam, though I believe you can switch it off.

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[Guest X1s]

It has been said in this thread that (a) when there's very little light and contrast, manually focusing the M9 will be more accurate and more reliable than autofocusing the X1 and ( once both cameras are properly focused the X1 will produce the better image quality.

 

Hi Pop, thanks for the comments on my behalf, boy there seems to be quite a bit of disappointment here about who I am and what I own. Its a shame that people want proof all the time in regards to anything such as a simple statement or question asked in a thread. I'm on my way to Morocco with the hubby, and for the record he is only 2 years (younger) than me.I've been happlly married for 22 years now with 4 beautiful children, 3 girls and 1 boy. The 2 twin girls just graduated from UC Berkley, and the other 2 are first and second year students at UCLA. I really don't give care about insolence rudeness shown by some on this thread, however, and I know that it is present here and part of the leica forum. I have searched and read through (almost all of the responses) made by by those posters who chose to challenge me, and over half of there responses in numerous other threads here show the same type of insolent behavior. So it really dosn't surprise me at all the comments that they made. Anyways I have my MBP with me where ever I go in the world so I'll be chiming in every know and then. Got too finish packing.

 

Emma

[h00ligan]

It has been said in this thread that (a) when there's very little light and contrast, manually focusing the M9 will be more accurate and more reliable than autofocusing the X1 and ( once both cameras are properly focused the X1 will produce the better image quality.

 

Is the latter due to how noise is handled? I hadn't read/ must have missed the assertion the x1 would outperform the m9 as far as iq in low light. It surprises me.

 

On a whole we don't see too many comparison shots here, or at least I haven't ... Doesn't seem those with both cameras are interested in the technical comparison, or not many own both cameras?

[ChiILX1]

Plenty of people supply images as a contribution to a discussion without having any need of "proving themselves."

 

So far you have only negated contribution and provided nothing, so you might as well be 14 and cameraless as far as most are concerned.

[jsrockit]

You pity me because in my experience rich men seek partners with a certain level of communication skills, class, education?

 

What can I say? I know plenty of wealthy people, they don't tend to gravitate towards low education or intellect, let alone sour attitude displayed by her over and over and over.

 

Ever thought that English is not X1s' first language? I date plenty of women who don't speak perfect english and that does not make them dumb. Actually, more often than not, these woman speak 3 or more languages.

[h00ligan]

Ever thought that English is not X1s' first language? I date plenty of women who don't speak perfect english and that does not make them dumb. Actually, more often than not, these woman speak 3 or more languages.

 

It was clarified in an earlier unintelligible post. Where I was genuinely trying to understand her and why she had concerns, and help (at which point she was rude to me). She confirmed she was. I've probably dated less native english speakers than native in my life, so that is usually my first thought and I try to be patient. She wore my patience out with her sour attitude and conflicting 'stories' along with her flippant, 'my hubby is rich statement'. Her posts have been contradictory, ignorant, rude, and classless...so sure I can be cast as a bad guy for making a dig that with her superb education, loads of money, tons of cameras...she doesn't seem to even be able to regularly write organized thoughts with proper word usage...I'm not even talking about being a grammar Nazi or the like. Her posts absolutely stink of Internet troll.

 

I get my comments here have rubbed people the wrong way, sorry for that. They are not in any way worse though than the trolling she has done on this forum.

 

You know my postings js, seriously, read her previous posts.

 

This is the last response I'll offer in this thread, and I did so only because of the poster asking the question, who I genuinely enjoy sharing this space with (along with several others). Yes, she got under my skin, and I posted a dig I probably shouldn't have.

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[ChiILX1]

On a whole we don't see too many comparison shots here, or at least I haven't ... Doesn't seem those with both cameras are interested in the technical comparison, or not many own both cameras?

 

I second the call for comparison shots. Fortunately Emma has over 50k in Leicas and equipment! Surely she will post comparison shots of her X1, M9 and S2.

 

If, strangely and unexplainably enough she doesn't, would anyone else care to post dim light comparisons of X1, M9, M8? 35mm equivalent elmarit preferred with ISO aperture, shutter speed all the same.

 

We will get something meaningful out of this thread yet!