sblitz Posted December 5, 2011 Share #361 Posted December 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think live view would be liberating to shoot at angles my body can't stretch to. But of course it's value is somewhat diminished with no autofocus. Not asking for it and don't want it. Just making the point that's all As for movie mode all I can say is that I have had cameras with it and never used it just like I never used various scene presets. I wouldn't pay up for a camera with movie mode. But if the camera had it so what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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swamiji Posted December 6, 2011 Share #362 Posted December 6, 2011 Except that there was no mention of the M mount in this context. I don’t think the new system will use the M mount. You had better catch up with Leica Rumors... And I quote: Richard Swan from Leica UK shared some details on their upcoming compact mirrorless system camera with TechRadar. The new product line will be placed somewhere between the X1 and M9 in terms of pricing. As previous reprots indicated, the camera will have at least an APS-C sized sensor. Another interesting comment was that "any future interchangeable lens cameras from Leica would be compatible with M-mount lenses". Announcement will take place at Photokina 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted December 6, 2011 Share #363 Posted December 6, 2011 Another interesting comment was that "any future interchangeable lens cameras from Leica would be compatible with M-mount lenses" is that with an adaptor or without? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 6, 2011 Share #364 Posted December 6, 2011 is that with an adaptor or without? This quote did not mention it, but other sources imply no adapter. What I am hearing is a modified "M" mount on the new camera. However "R" lenses will require an adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 6, 2011 Share #365 Posted December 6, 2011 You had better catch up with Leica Rumors... They claim compatibility with M lenses (no surprise really – with the exception of the Samsung NX system, all EVIL cameras out there are compatible with M lenses), not that the new system would use the M mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 6, 2011 Share #366 Posted December 6, 2011 They have said they are not interested in the 4/3 mount. They have said they will not support another series of Lenses. Which is not a surprise, they cannot keep up with the demand now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 6, 2011 Share #367 Posted December 6, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) was that "any future interchangeable lens cameras from Leica would be compatible with M-mount lenses". Err... yes. Canon EOS mounts and 4/3rd, Nex, etc... mounts are compatable with the Leica R mount. That does not mean they are the Leica R mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 6, 2011 Share #368 Posted December 6, 2011 Err... yes. Canon EOS mounts and 4/3rd, Nex, etc... mounts are compatable with the Leica R mount. That does not mean they are the Leica R mount. Then that is the next question What is a "R" mount? 1 cam, 2 cam, 3 cam, ROM? There is no reason Leica could not modify the M mount to give the features necessary for AF or IS, without reducing the ability to natively mount current M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 6, 2011 Share #369 Posted December 6, 2011 They have said they are not interested in the 4/3 mount. If you mean Micro FourThirds then yes, they have said so, repeatedly in fact. But since the sensor size of the EVIL system is to be APS-C at least, Micro FourThirds has never been a candidate anyway. They have said they will not support another series of Lenses. Have they? Which is not a surprise, they cannot keep up with the demand now. In Solms (and soon Wetzlar), yes. Which raises the question of where the lenses for the new system will be manufactured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 6, 2011 Share #370 Posted December 6, 2011 In Solms (and soon Wetzlar), yes. Which raises the question of where the lenses for the new system will be manufactured. It has been said the new camera will be designed and built in-house, what that means, is open to interpretation. Could be Portugal, maybe even... Canada ... Pretty certain not China, or Japan, unless there is a new Leica factory being built in Asia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 6, 2011 Share #371 Posted December 6, 2011 Where do they build the X1 lens, for example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 6, 2011 Share #372 Posted December 6, 2011 Where do they build the X1 lens, for example? I am not sure thats comparable, the camera says "Made in Germany". A system camera would have lenses that bear the label of Manufacture. Leica prides it's self as "Made in Germany". A label that says "Made in Japan" on a Leica Lens... Has not happened since the days of the "R", and is contrary to the current "Brand Culture". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnfell Posted December 7, 2011 Share #373 Posted December 7, 2011 My question for the M user and reader are: Is a future M likely to have a video mode? How would you feel about a video mode? Would you use it if the feature was there? 1. I think a future M is NOT likely to have a video mode. Live view at best. 2. If a video mode made no detriment to still photo quality and did not add to the price of the camera, then I would be fine with it. However, one must assume that to develop such a mode from scratch would require significant research and development costs. Who is going to pay those? 3. If it was there, I would use it, but not very often, just like I have used the video mode on my 5D2 about a docen times since it came out. I have said it before, to me Leica is still photographs, and should concentrate on that. The M9 is one, of or perhaps The, highest resolution full format digital camera and ALSO the smallest full format camera. Shoemaker, stay with your last! (Norwegian proverb) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 7, 2011 Share #374 Posted December 7, 2011 A label that says "Made in Japan" on a Leica Lens... Has not happened since the days of the "R", and is contrary to the current "Brand Culture". You may have missed Leica’s FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds lenses, all Made in Japan by Panasonic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 7, 2011 Share #375 Posted December 7, 2011 1. I think a future M is NOT likely to have a video mode. Live view at best.2. If a video mode made no detriment to still photo quality and did not add to the price of the camera, then I would be fine with it. However, one must assume that to develop such a mode from scratch would require significant research and development costs. Who is going to pay those? It has been mentioned before but once you have live view, much of the hard work in implementing a video mode has already been done. Admittedly you still need to tackle sound recording, video compression, and maintaing a steady stream of data written to the card, but I’d say you are more than half way there at that point. There is still some work to do, enough so it might make you decide against it, but when something like a video mode was dangling enticingly right within the developers’ reach, who knows what they would do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 7, 2011 Share #376 Posted December 7, 2011 You may have missed Leica’s FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds lenses, all Made in Japan by Panasonic. No, I did not. They are Panny's. They just pay Leica for the name, and a little bit of QC. If you compare there quality with a Summilux-M ASPH 50mm, you will find a difference. If that is what you want for future "M"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted December 7, 2011 Share #377 Posted December 7, 2011 If you compare the there quality with a Summilux-M ASPH 50mm, you will find a difference. If that is what you want for future "M"... The thread title notwithstanding we were talking about the lenses for the new system, remember? M lenses will continue to be manufactured in Solms or Wetzlar and in the traditional way, but how do you think Leica will meet a price point well below the M system? Leica is after a larger market share with the new system and they won’t achieve that goal with M system prices. (Whether lenses are manufactured in Germany or Japan isn’t that important really; if Leica set up a Japanese factory to build M lenses, those lenses wouldn’t be significantly cheaper to manufacture. More affordable lenses have to be designed so they allow for a less expensive mode of manufacturing.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 7, 2011 Share #378 Posted December 7, 2011 Well, there is official Leica talk of keeping the production facility in Solms open even after moving to Wetzlar if the present buying pressure keeps as high. That does not sound like Leica is planning any move into the far east. Why should they? If they want to produce at lower labour cost they have countries like the Czech Republic, Poland and the Ukraina right on their doorstep with a highly trained workorce at low price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted December 7, 2011 Share #379 Posted December 7, 2011 The thread title notwithstanding we were talking about the lenses for the new system, remember? M lenses will continue to be manufactured in Solms or Wetzlar and in the traditional way, but how do you think Leica will meet a price point well below the M system? Leica is after a larger market share with the new system and they won’t achieve that goal with M system prices. (Whether lenses are manufactured in Germany or Japan isn’t that important really; if Leica set up a Japanese factory to build M lenses, those lenses wouldn’t be significantly cheaper to manufacture. More affordable lenses have to be designed so they allow for a less expensive mode of manufacturing.) Actually thats not true, If they were to take on the big guys head on they would not last long. In order for them to survive, they need to have a brand that is markedly different from Nikon/Canon. The closer they are to Nikon/Canon the closer they are to death. Leica knows this. They have said so on several occasions. They have to be perceived as special, different. Quality is one of there brand hallmarks. There entire compact camera line is based on the quality perceived of the "M" system. What is the real difference between the Leica compact camera line (X1 aside) and there Panny counter parts? The perception of quality. That is why the Leica version will hold it's value while the Panny will hit the dust bin. If Leica looses that edge, the game is over. There is not likely to be a new system, a modification of the "M" maybe, but not an entirely separate system. All they have to do is build a new body with a modified existing mount, add a couple of zooms and their done.... all done in there existing plants (new buildings included). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted December 7, 2011 Share #380 Posted December 7, 2011 the way things are going they will probably manufacture in Greece. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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