Guest MartinMann Posted August 22, 2010 Share #381 Posted August 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) They're beauties! I'm off to look at them on your Flickr stream to learn more. (But that second one seems very large and are throwing off the viewing of the thread for me. Maybe you can resize it?) P.S. I see they're not on your Flickr quite yet. I'd love to know what sort of exposure you used for these. Very nice night shots. Thank you, i ll list them today on flickr. The first one is ISO 100 - f8 - 15 seconds The large one, sorry for that - i can't resize anymore now ..., is ISO 100 - f8 - 2 seconds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichardM8 Posted August 22, 2010 Share #382 Posted August 22, 2010 The hand is faster than the brain, sorry, here's the photo We're looking with different eyes and on different screens but to me the Bangkok street shot looks dull with slight a grey/blue-ish cast. The sky has a purple tint that I never see in real life. But maybe my screen and/or eyes are off... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted August 22, 2010 Share #383 Posted August 22, 2010 We're looking with different eyes and on different screens but to me the Bangkok street shot looks dull with slight a grey/blue-ish cast. The sky has a purple tint that I never see in real life. But maybe my screen and/or eyes are off... hey Richard, Not sure about the difference in screen but on my screen the photo actually reflects the exact colors and overcast day...it was a little dreary.. One thing I notice about screen calibration by the spyder is that colors are warmer after calibration...at least on my Macbook pro. BTW, did you calibrate your screen? The one thing that irks me is that the photo in OOC jpeg was pin-sharp without any PP, but after posting I can see ugly compression artefacts! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted August 22, 2010 Share #384 Posted August 22, 2010 Hi phancj, Yes, both monitors I use (NEC Multisync & Lenovo 1440 x 900 LCD) are calibrated with the Spyder3 Pro. On virtually all displays the colors get warmer after calibration 'cos most manufacturers set their screens way too blue. This makes 'white' look more white and that looks good in email screens and such. When I look at the image I see quite a lot of blue sky and white clouds so I guess there wasn't that much overcast? Less than what I saw mostly during my 3 week there... The perceived sharpness from the OOC JPGs can/probably is the result of the high default sharpening settings. The JPG can never be sharper than the DNG is was made from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted August 22, 2010 Share #385 Posted August 22, 2010 Hi phancj, Yes, both monitors I use (NEC Multisync & Lenovo 1440 x 900 LCD) are calibrated with the Spyder3 Pro. On virtually all displays the colors get warmer after calibration 'cos most manufacturers set their screens way too blue. This makes 'white' look more white and that looks good in email screens and such. When I look at the image I see quite a lot of blue sky and white clouds so I guess there wasn't that much overcast? Less than what I saw mostly during my 3 week there... The perceived sharpness from the OOC JPGs can/probably is the result of the high default sharpening settings. The JPG can never be sharper than the DNG is was made from. Hi Richard, Where I shot from (Beside Mahboonkrong) was actually overcast, but where I focused luckily not too many clouds:D. I set sharpening to medium low so it usually is not too over-sharpened. On my screen the jpegs look great so I decide on no PP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 22, 2010 Share #386 Posted August 22, 2010 I understand some think sharpening is too high at default (hasn't been my experience) but I actually think the image could use more sharpening tbh. Could be the small size. Are you using photoshop? Have you tried photokit sharpener (there's a demo). It's really simple to use for people who don't want to spend a ton of time in post. Richard, I notice what you do on ooc x1 jpgs. They get a bit blue, and they do something very strange in terms of greens as well (or maybe the blue effects the greens making them look different).. It's strange because I like about 90% of what Leica does in the jpg processing, but 10% causes it to lose 'pop'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted August 22, 2010 Share #387 Posted August 22, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I understand some think sharpening is too high at default (hasn't been my experience) but I actually think the image could use more sharpening tbh. Could be the small size. Are you using photoshop? Have you tried photokit sharpener (there's a demo). It's really simple to use for people who don't want to spend a ton of time in post. Richard, I notice what you do on ooc x1 jpgs. They get a bit blue, and they do something very strange in terms of greens as well (or maybe the blue effects the greens making them look different).. It's strange because I like about 90% of what Leica does in the jpg processing, but 10% causes it to lose 'pop'. From the actual files the image was actually very sharp and any further sharpening may be a little unnatural, but I can see after posting it does not look as good as the original by a wide margin, not to mention the artifacts I can see, yikes! If I need more sharpening I probably will do it in camera and use default sharpening. I always shoot jpeq fine and raw so if needed I will use lightroom and/or pS or Nik to do tweaking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted August 22, 2010 Share #388 Posted August 22, 2010 From the actual files the image was actually very sharp and any further sharpening may be a little unnatural, but I can see after posting it does not look as good as the original by a wide margin, not to mention the artifacts I can see, yikes! If I need more sharpening I probably will do it in camera and use default sharpening. I always shoot jpeq fine and raw so if needed I will use lightroom and/or pS or Nik to do tweaking... Gentlemen: While we are on the topic of OOC versus DNG, any comments on the below pictures are welcome. The first one is DNG processed and exported via LR. The second one is OOC jpg. I know it is a bit hard to evaluate on the screen, but any comments on what could be improved in the DNG processed version are welcome. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116222-i-love-my-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1413400'>More sharing options...
Dan States Posted August 22, 2010 Share #389 Posted August 22, 2010 The DNG version is much better. The Jpeg lost detail in the sky and the blue looks wacky. If you wanted more detail in the shadows of the building you could do a bit of dodging, but I would avoid trying to over-lighten. Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted August 22, 2010 Author Share #390 Posted August 22, 2010 Richer detail/fuller color. I prefer the first one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted August 22, 2010 Share #391 Posted August 22, 2010 Depends what you want to use the image for, but in Jpeg you can always mildly adjust .... and I think this is an extreme example. Obviously DNG processed will sometimes be better than Jpeg... first you have to find the "right" tweaks to provide it with a normal look... which is quite hard as I have noticed, secondly Jpegs out of the X1 are very very good, probably suitable for 90% of ones images, anyway thats how I see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xCorpsman Posted August 22, 2010 Share #392 Posted August 22, 2010 I am beginning to appreciate OOC JPEG more and more. The high contrast B/W setting is also very nice. I wish I could choose both output methods; Jpeg/color and Jpeg/B&W instead of DNG as a general setting, only choosing DNG if you see the image will need PP'ing. Phanc, what settings do you use for Jpeg output? I like the OOC High-Contrast B&W as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted August 22, 2010 Share #393 Posted August 22, 2010 Beautiful photograph of textures and surfaces. The array of Blacks and Whites give this image a richness. Love it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 22, 2010 Share #394 Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Depends what you want to use the image for, but in Jpeg you can always mildly adjust .... and I think this is an extreme example. Obviously DNG processed will sometimes be better than Jpeg... first you have to find the "right" tweaks to provide it with a normal look... which is quite hard as I have noticed, secondly Jpegs out of the X1 are very very good, probably suitable for 90% of ones images, anyway thats how I see it. Maybe I live in an extreme place, but this is a pretty relevant sample imo. Indoor shots seem to do fine, but outdoors dng is really needed, at least for me, due to what we see above (color shots). I do like high contrast b/w out of the cam - again outdoors. From the actual files the image was actually very sharp and any further sharpening may be a little unnatural, but I can see after posting it does not look as good as the original by a wide margin, not to mention the artifacts I can see, yikes! If I need more sharpening I probably will do it in camera and use default sharpening. I always shoot jpeq fine and raw so if needed I will use lightroom and/or pS or Nik to do tweaking... Yah, sometimes things get very lost when we reduce a huge image to a couple hundred k! I find default sharpening to look good.. i've never tried going into the + range. Edited August 22, 2010 by h00ligan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted August 22, 2010 Share #395 Posted August 22, 2010 as for OOC Jpegs and detail/color etc.... and yes the blue might be a bit off, but easily corrected even in Jpeg Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116222-i-love-my-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1413699'>More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted August 22, 2010 Share #396 Posted August 22, 2010 Beautiful scene Jan. But I see the same over-saturated blue in the sky and blue-ish greens that I see in a lot of outdoor JPG shots from the X1. When you understand what's going on 'under the hood' technically, it is obvious that there simply can't be a discussion if DNG/RAWs are 'better' than JPGs or vice versa so I won't even go there. About 90% of all RAW files need more or less PP. It's a digital negative. Comparing an uncorrected RAW file converted to JPG with an OOC JPG (that has a list of corrections already done) is irrelevant and missing the point completely. I you find the OOC JPGs good enough and agree with the pallet of corrections Leica has chosen, that's fine. But that is a very different thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted August 22, 2010 Share #397 Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) as for OOC Jpegs and detail/color etc.... and yes the blue might be a bit off, but easily corrected even in Jpeg Nice picture. But as mentioned by RichX1, the greens are too dark and lacking in detail. This is a consistent "problem" I have seen with the X1. You are correct in saying that many details, like the sky color can easily be corrected in jpg. Obviously, RAW vs JPG debate has been discussed several time over, so I won't get in the details. I prefer to use OOC jpgs where I can, but it seems to me that X1 really shines when using DNG. For a while I had started to use exclusively OOC jpgs, but recently I am beginning to question the looks of the jpgs that the camera produces. Obviously, viewing on the monitor is not the best way to test and so I am getting a few large prints made so I can actually see the differences. Perhaps there is a combination of saturation/preset film/sharpening that when set properly will allow the X1 to produce stellar jpgs that do not need any PP, but I haven't seen it yet. Maybe a device like Oly Pen EP-1 is better for those who need OOC jpgs to work the first time around. There has to be a reason that the X1 ships with LR and I believe it is not for simply editing the jpgs. In keeping with the spirit of this thread, here are two more reasons I love my X1. The first shot was taken in a quite dark palace and I had to shoot very quickly before the caretaker would kick me out. All in all, the love continues. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 22, 2010 by ravinj 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/116222-i-love-my-leica-x1/?do=findComment&comment=1413817'>More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted August 23, 2010 Share #398 Posted August 23, 2010 Gentlemen: While we are on the topic of OOC versus DNG, any comments on the below pictures are welcome. The first one is DNG processed and exported via LR. The second one is OOC jpg. I know it is a bit hard to evaluate on the screen, but any comments on what could be improved in the DNG processed version are welcome. The problem with this comparison is the JPEG is not the same brightness/contrast as the DNG. If you could reduce the brightness (highlights mostly) of the JPEG to bring it more in line with the look of the DNG photo, the JPEG would be more comparable and might even look better, however heretical that may sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted August 23, 2010 Share #399 Posted August 23, 2010 Ravinj, the chandelier shot is fabulous, thanks for sharing! BTW, what settings on your X1 for the shot? Well, with what the X1 is capable of, no wonder most if not all X1 owners love this gem! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted August 23, 2010 Share #400 Posted August 23, 2010 Technically far from perfect but I like this shot from a friend. Sailing his boat at the Sail 2010 event in Amsterdam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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