New FW slow display redraw

[charlesphoto99]

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I guess my only reservation about the new fw is the slow redraw possibly due to the improved dng thumbnails. I use 3 sec auto review and at first I was concerned that all my images were out of focus. I then noticed it takes a few seconds for them to "draw" into focus. This is with uncompressed; I have no interest in shooting compressed. Anyone else notice this? I guess it's a compromise between faster results vs better iq. Oh well I'm sure I'll get used to it like previous 8/9 quirks.

[viramati]

same with compressed

[yanidel]

I noticed that too, and after a couple of days of use, I am not sure I like the new way better. Indeed, I rarely zoomed in picture in the past but used it to have an overall view of the lasst shot. Now you have to wait for a second otherwise it does indeed looked blurred. No big deal, question of habits I guess.

[mjh]

As a matter of fact many cameras from various vendors show a similar behavior. At first they display a fast but slightly blurry version that eventually gets replaced by the high quality version.

[snajczuk]

I see this on image preview as well.....The image adjusts three times before settling into the final image. The histogram changes with each adjustment. Also, all of the images display a dark yellow cast...and show blown out hightlights at the same time? I have been discussing with Leica support for the past couple of days and they asked me to send the camera to them. Sending back today. :-(

[bybrett]

I noticed that too, and after a couple of days of use, I am not sure I like the new way better. Indeed, I rarely zoomed in picture in the past but used it to have an overall view of the lasst shot. Now you have to wait for a second otherwise it does indeed looked blurred. No big deal, question of habits I guess.

 

Try compressed DNG with JPG fine and you will wait up to 8 seconds for rendering. I prefer 1.002 or M8.

[viramati]

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Hi Brett. Interesting reply and to see you getting involved in this one. I know you like to shoot DNG and Jpeg but would you really consider moving back to M8 because of this? I'm surprised

[bybrett]

Hi Brett. Interesting reply and to see you getting involved in this one. I know you like to shoot DNG and Jpeg but would you really consider moving back to M8 because of this? I'm surprised

 

Hi David, I've loaded 1.002 back on my M9 to see if I really need 1.116. I can't work with a camera which doesn't render the image sharp within a 3 or 5 second review. I rarely shoot wide angle so the obvious improvement there is not important to me. I also still use my M8. I like the simplicity of the menus and the 1.3x crop for close-ups. Cheers.

[geesbert]

I reverted to 1.02 to. what's the point of saving a few seconds of formatting time, when i have to repay that by waiting for the image to render?

[chris_tribble]

Hmm - how interesting our different experiences are... I only need the histogram from pre-views. New firmware's fine for me..

 

Heigh ho - the poor guys in Solms must be so confused working out who to please!

[bybrett]

Hmm - how interesting our different experiences are... I only need the histogram from pre-views. New firmware's fine for me..

 

Heigh ho - the poor guys in Solms must be so confused working out who to please!

 

Lots of people who buy M9 don't know what to do with a histogram.

[yanidel]

Lots of people who buy M9 don't know what to do with a histogram.

Histograms are pretty much useless in street photography. By the time you have checked it, your scene is already gone.

I am sure it is much more useful for architecture or landscapes.

[michali]

Histograms are pretty much useless in street photography. By the time you have checked it, your scene is already gone.

I am sure it is much more useful for architecture or landscapes.

 

I agree.

[chris_tribble]

Histograms are pretty much useless in street photography. By the time you have checked it, your scene is already gone.

I am sure it is much more useful for architecture or landscapes.

Yanidel - not sure that I understand this... if you're doing street and shooting from the hip with hyperfocal, I'm not sure what value ANY preview is. In my own experience of grabs like the ones below (Paris - from table level, viewfinder not used / Yerevan, camera VERY quickly to the eye to frame and focus - manual exposure pre-set), while you might check that the frame meant something, usually you're looking for the next shot.

 

Lots of people who buy M9 don't know what to do with a histogram.

Brett - if this is the case, isn't it time that we helped them to learn? IMHO, the only value of the preview is to check frame + exposure. The rest happens when you get home doesn't it? Critical assessment of focus on a 2.5" screen is a nonsense isn't it?

 

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[proenca]

Histograms are pretty much useless in street photography. By the time you have checked it, your scene is already gone.

I am sure it is much more useful for architecture or landscapes.

 

To be honest, by the time the M9 shows the histogram, even for landscape is useless : light has changed dramatically

 

Now in all fairness, I don't understand all this rage against the new FW and the playback delay - it took MUCH longer when I shot with my M7 and my MP to see the pictures and I never complained...

[bybrett]

To be honest, by the time the M9 shows the histogram, even for landscape is useless : light has changed dramatically

 

Now in all fairness, I don't understand all this rage against the new FW and the playback delay - it took MUCH longer when I shot with my M7 and my MP to see the pictures and I never complained...

 

Because it's a digital camera!

[bybrett]

 

Brett - if this is the case, isn't it time that we helped them to learn? IMHO, the only value of the preview is to check frame + exposure. The rest happens when you get home doesn't it? Critical assessment of focus on a 2.5" screen is a nonsense isn't it?

 

Best,

 

We do help them to learn, that's how I know that histograms are not top on the list when you buy M9. And I agree with you that the preview is to check frame (composition) and exposure. The histogram for me is a greater tool in post processing because it can be manipulated. All I am saying is that 1.002 gives a more accurate rendition of the preview because it's sharp, whereas 1.116 is never sharp in auto preview (3 or 5 seconds). It's a retrograde step to have an unsharp full preview for the benefit of a sharper zoom. (I rarely zoom to check focus).

[yanidel]

Yanidel - not sure that I understand this... if you're doing street and shooting from the hip with hyperfocal, I'm not sure what value ANY preview is. In my own experience of grabs like the ones below (Paris - from table level, viewfinder not used / Yerevan, camera VERY quickly to the eye to frame and focus - manual exposure pre-set), while you might check that the frame meant something, usually you're looking for the next shot.

My point to Brett was more that the tradition of M cameras is more in the reportage/travel/street areas where action is involved. So iI would guess that it is kind of normal that histograms are not widely used among digital M users.

 

I don't do much hyperfocal, and even less from the hips. This being said, your last point is the correct. I use the preview to have a feel if I made the shot or not. If not, I delete it. I don't chimp after every shots obviously, but like to preview and delete the shots that are obvious failures. Therefore the delay in sharpening up is an annoyance, all shots look out of focus at first and it takes longer to look at a series (I don't zoom in much)

 

I guess a good solution to all of that is to put my Luigi half case detachable back on again. And just focus on the shot taking. Many of you on this forum went decades without a LCD, it can be done I really find chimping an annoyance but I must admit that it is difficult to resist it

[bybrett]

My point to Brett was more that the tradition of M cameras is more in the reportage/travel/street areas where action is involved. So iI would guess that it is kind of normal that histograms are not widely used among digital M users.

 

I don't do much hyperfocal, and even less from the hips. This being said, your last point is the correct. I use the preview to have a feel if I made the shot or not. If not, I delete it. I don't chimp after every shots obviously, but like to preview and delete the shots that are obvious failures. Therefore the delay in sharpening up is an annoyance, all shots look out of focus at first and it takes longer to look at a series (I don't zoom in much)

 

I guess a good solution to all of that is to put my Luigi half case detachable back on again. And just focus on the shot taking. Many of you on this forum went decades without a LCD, it can be done I really find chimping an annoyance but I must admit that it is difficult to resist it

 

I agree, concentrate more on the image when shooting... I can judge composition and exposure that way. A good solution is to use 1.002 (the first time I shot with 1.116 I thought I had damaged my lens). Digital M has improved my photography so nothing wrong with (moderate) chimping...

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[yanidel]

Digital M has improved my photography so nothing wrong with (moderate) chimping...

It does indeed accelerate significantly the learning curve as you can see the results of your choices/experiments straight away. The difficulty IMO is finding the good balance / routine between concentration on what is going on around you and chimping.