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Anyone out there with links where the photographer pushes the metal to the floor with this camera. All I have seen is fill conceived family snaps and still scenes devoid of life.

 

Though I am not a great fan of this type of photography atleast he put the GF1 through its paces and within the limits of what the camera was capable of and came up with some great shots technically, saturation ,tone, colour, eye for detail etc http://craigmod.com/journal/gf1-fieldtest/

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Thanks for that Kent, we all know that most cameras perform well in good light as well as flat even light. The guy in the link shot at 400iso and some marginal light which is a good indicator of how things go. Sure there is some pp work but that is part of the whole photographic game.

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This is probably the only shot worth the merut LFI Gallery - Neueste Uploads/Quartier Les Halles

There is a discerning lack of movement and are generally far off streetscapes.

David across the detch.....

The ep-i shots are very similar in quality, the school is a orchestrated situation as are portraits the old stand still I am shooting stuff.

meanwhile.......

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Imants, forgot to add the other link so started a new post. What did you think of the factory shots? Nothing wrong at all with the Olympus by the look of it. Hey, where do you stand on this camera? And could it stand the searing Aussie heat, let alone searing Aussie wit? ;)

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Depends on how contrasty the lens is, it doesn't look too bad, then again the days that bite we have no choice but shoot like Trent Parke :rolleyes: and his early work, then again a lot of people shoot film as it suits the light.

I am still on the fence and a wait and see two and a half aussie smackaroos is a fair bit of my camera budget as my type of photography is not a big financial mover (out of choice as I no longer do any client work). For a heap of situations the AF should not be a bother, but for those crucial shots that I want it is a no go camera, in other words it can full fill the role as a second sometimes camera. I am not interested in a manual camera as the epson and nikon can do all that as do the film cameras.

The factory shots are posed so despite the good IQ it isn't a situation I shoot in If I can see someone who can make the camera's files sing then it would be a goer for Labour Day. So far there just isn't enough good images out there

ps the ricohs have too heavy a footprint and loose that veratility in pp work

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stnami, I think you know that there aren't that many people who own the camera yet. Mine finally shipped today, but you don't care for my brand of photography, so that won't help you. The problem with the X1 it is the beginner's Leica and that means we will see many mediocre images from it. That said, we see plenty of bad images from way more expensive Leicas as well. Photography is so subjective that it is hard to please all people and what does it for me, my eyes, and my brain may not do it for others. The shot you liked from the LFI gallery did nothing for me. I prefer this http://gallery.lfi-online.de/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-18150&pos=8 or this http://gallery.lfi-online.de/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=-18150&pos=3 A photograph doesn't need to have movement or people to satisfy me...

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A forum such as this will have many different opinions on what makes a good photograph. It is always a matter of personal opinion. I received my X1 from Dale Camera last Thursday. I never expected it to arrive so quickly but two days later while walking in downtown West Palm Beach I took this picture and liked it so much, I decided to put it on my blog. Oh ya—I love this camera!

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I don't think that looking for evidence of quality from other people's pictures makes much sense in this case.

 

We all know that, given certain physical parameters laid down by equipment, that the major factor in the quality of the image is the photographer.

 

We do know that the X1 has a large sensor ( allegedly related to the Nikon D300 sensor I believe ) and a decent lens. That , I would respectfully suggest, should be enough to inform a purchase decision if one is not keen on waiting for a large user base to develop and so a lot of X1 material to start to appear on the web.

 

To put it another way, given what we know about the X1 already, I figure that it is likely that the camera will be fine on the image quality front. As ever, its the person behind it that matters.

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... The problem with the X1 it is the beginner's Leica and that means we will see many mediocre images from it. ...

I am surprised that some people perceive the X1 as a beginner's camera. It is far from that; in fact I believe a beginner would have difficulty using it successfully. I think your claim stems from the equally misleading label 'point and shoot' or P&S which also misses the mark. A successful P&S camera essentially leaves the photographer with very few options other than 'point and shoot'. It is quite difficult for the X1 to be used in that way.

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This is probably the only shot worth the merut LFI Gallery - Neueste Uploads/Quartier Les Halles

There is a discerning lack of movement and are generally far off streetscapes.

David across the detch.....

The ep-i shots are very similar in quality, the school is a orchestrated situation as are portraits the old stand still I am shooting stuff.

meanwhile.......

 

wow. real tricky shot this one...

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I am surprised that some people perceive the X1 as a beginner's camera. It is far from that; in fact I believe a beginner would have difficulty using it successfully. I think your claim stems from the equally misleading label 'point and shoot' or P&S which also misses the mark. A successful P&S camera essentially leaves the photographer with very few options other than 'point and shoot'. It is quite difficult for the X1 to be used in that way.

 

I think you missed my meaning of the term beginner. I didn't mean it with respect to skill level or camera features, but more of a point of entry price vs. the M8 and M9. I probably used the wrong word... maybe entry level digital Leica?

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js, that makes your original posting clearer.

 

At present there are two much cheaper, but fine, small Leica compact cameras (C Lux 3 and D Lux 4) made by Panasonic for Leica which probably meet your entry level criterion rather better. We cannot escape the fact that the X1 is very expensive for its specification on paper. You and many others appreciate that Leica quality craftsmanship and reputation come at a price. That is a very difficult argument to convince traditional doubters who have not shared the experience.

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here is no pose shot but has movement and life shot by mediocre amateur ;)

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I am surprised that some people perceive the X1 as a beginner's camera. It is far from that; in fact I believe a beginner would have difficulty using it successfully. I think your claim stems from the equally misleading label 'point and shoot' or P&S which also misses the mark. A successful P&S camera essentially leaves the photographer with very few options other than 'point and shoot'. It is quite difficult for the X1 to be used in that way.

 

Turn it on, set either A for auto aperture or A for auto shutter or both, point and shoot. Surely a lot easier than fiddling with icons, programs, and modes.

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At present there are two much cheaper, but fine, small Leica compact cameras (C Lux 3 and D Lux 4) made by Panasonic for Leica which probably meet your entry level criterion rather better. We cannot escape the fact that the X1 is very expensive for its specification on paper. You and many others appreciate that Leica quality craftsmanship and reputation come at a price. That is a very difficult argument to convince traditional doubters who have not shared the experience.

 

I knew that was coming :). I know this is ridiculous, but I find the X1 to be on a different level than those cameras with regards to manual operation (meaning dedicated dials, not AF) and a more traditional photography set of specs (no video, simplified menus, etc). I know that is my hang-up though and I know the DL4, from experience, is a decent camera. To be honest, I'm a true believer that a beginner, who wants to learn about the technical side of photography, should stay away from DL4 and the X1 and get a fully manual SLR or at least a low-end DSLR with a nice prime. Let's not even get into the fact that many think the Panasonics aren't real Leicas. If that is a buyers opinion, and they want a new digital Leica, then the X1 is the option they'll most likely choose.

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yep nothing like it pictures of a camera .............. ahh well I I will have to search else where

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