steem21 Posted February 28, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello all, I have a 24/2.8 and recently acquired a 35/1.4 Asph and also a 50/1.4 Pre-Asph Black Paint. I really enjoy using the 24/2.8 on the M8.2 and it's probably my favourite focal length. However, on quite a number of occasions, I've found the 24 Elmarit to be too slow and bought the 35/1.4 in the event I need the extra stops - unfortunately it's not giving me the 24mm view! I love the way the 50/1.4 renders and it's my favourite for portraits. I've spotted a used 24/1.4 and I'm considering trading in my 24/2.8 and my 35/1.4 for it. I've done a search and I've read all the comments about the 24/1.4. However, a lot of the posts were some time ago, and would like any feedback from users that have had their 24/1.4 for a while. What's it like using it without the focusing tab? My 50/1.4 doesn't have one and I find that as I'm using it for portraits, the slightly slower focussing is not an issue. Anyone miss the tab on the 24/1.4? Is weight an issue with the lens? It's twice as heavy again as the Elmarit but does it balance well on the M8? I could see myself not missing the 35/1.4 if I had the 24/1.4. What do people think? Thanks Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Walt Calahan Posted February 28, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 28, 2010 Trade in the M8.2 and a few bucks and get the M9 instead. Unless you want that huge chunk of glass. I have a 35 lux and a 75 lux and question when I last shot at f/1.4, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris M Posted February 28, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 28, 2010 I've seen and handled this lens at my local dealer, and I would personally stere clear of it unless I was going to shoot wide open all the time, it is at bit of a monster in size and weight remember its shoots at about 30.5 mm because of the crop factor, as you no. the speed is nice though, and I like the way it draws wide open. You can search for great examples of how it draws on this site and others. Google is your friend. chris m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 28, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 28, 2010 I used my 24/1.4 on an M8 prior to getting a M9. On an M8 it provides an approx. 32mm field-of-view, which was an appealing one for me on the M8 ... anything in the 24 to 35mm area are my most used focal lengths ... the 24/1.4 ASPH and 28/2 ASPH gets more use on the FF M9 than the 35/1.4 ASPH does. What I did like with the 24 on the M8 was not having to use the aux. viewfinder ... the outer edge of the viewfinder is pretty close. Personally, I really like the 24/1.4 on both the M8 and M9 ... nothing substitutes for speed when you need it ... and that attribute is even more valuable on a M8 to keep the ISO from going to high in lower light. But the real charm is shooting stuff close up, wide open and getting beautiful out of focus backgrounds. I didn't notice any issues with weight or balance ... or speed of focusing. -Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted February 28, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 28, 2010 Recently bought this lens. And stepping down from 35mm to 24mm on my M8 has been easy. When I was using my 35mm as my widest lens/walking around lens, I found that I really needed that extra width. And with this 24mm I realized that I really enjoy the angle of view. I wouldn't sell the 35/1.4 if I were you, I feel like the 24 and the 35 are very different lenses for different purposes. As for size, I don't really think anyone should complain about the size of any Leica M lens. That said, I find the 24 on the larger side, but it balances well on the camera, and I love the feel of it in my hand. The lens is too new for me to have any serious complaints about it yet, I'll check back in a few days, maybe I'll start to hate it by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steem21 Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted February 28, 2010 Thanks for the comments guys! Walt, I'd love to get the M9 but the waiting list is huge and I'm enjoying the M8.2 at the moment. However, having an M9 and perhaps a 28/2 or 35/1.4 or 35/2 is a great combination from the handling and weight point of view. Chris, yup. I've seen those images from the 21 and 24 luxs...lovely.... Marc, thanks for the comments. Good to know that when I do get an M9 in the future, the 24 lux has a place but I think the important aspect for me is to gather more light so that the ISO does not get above 640 or thereabouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steem21 Posted February 28, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted February 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Eddie, I have a similar experience as you. However, my first lens was the 24/2.8 and when I got the 35/1.4, it seemed it was not wide enough...so on when the 24/2.8 when I was out and about. I seem to feel that the 50/1.4 can replace the 35 as a short-tele/portrait lens with plently of character. The 35 hasn't gotten under my skin as well as the 24 and 50's! Thanks for the comments Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miklosphoto Posted February 28, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 28, 2010 I bought it few weeks ago for my M8.2. Before that I used my 35/2 ASPH most of the time but needed something wider. Tried 28/2, 28.2.8. Nothing can beat the 24/1.4. I know you can't and should not say this, but I think that he 24/1.4 is the best wide angle lens ever made by any company. BTW, I was in the same dilemma, also considered trading my M8 to get an M9 and enjoy the 35/2 for what it is. But my instincts told me, buy glass and not another body. I love my M8.2 anyway, and now got probably the best glass for it. And still enjoying to use my 35/2 on M7. (60% of my photography is film). Bottom-line: M8.2 and 24/1.4 is the perfect combo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 28, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 28, 2010 Can't say anything about the 24 Summilux other than what I've read. Can't say anything about your working methods, and which focal lengths you use. Can't say whether you'll eventually buy an M9. But, based on many, many, many comments on these fora, the odds are one day you'll buy back one or both of the focal lengths you'd give up, and possibly even one or both of the same lenses. I know I wouldn't give up on both 28 and 35 focal lengths...have had them for both film Ms and for the M8.2. Same for a 50. But, that's my experience. YMMV. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steem21 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share #10 Posted March 1, 2010 Miklos, Thanks for your comments. Just what I want to hear! Jeff, I've come from using the Sony A900 with Minolta/Sony and Zeiss glass. It's only in these fora have I read users selling and buying the same lenses over and over!!! I'm sure you'll be right! I'm not sure my wallet can cope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic108 Posted March 1, 2010 Share #11 Posted March 1, 2010 You've probably made your decision already. So enjoy your new lens. My view of the 24mm Summilux and the 21mm summilux is that whilst they are highly desirable they wouldn't really give me the images I'm after when shooting in low-light conditions indoors. I don't think they are fast enough to capture movement indoors (i.e kids birthday party) and in this case something like the latest high ISO Nikon or Canon would be better. Outdoors and in public places (i.e coffee shop) then they are great but then so too is the Elmarit. If we really look to why photographers buy this lens it's because of the bokeh. Most images that I've seen taken with this lens have 1. nice bokeh and 2. no subject movement. So my conclusion is that the Summilux 24mm is more cinematic in it's purpose than the Elmarit. As an aside when I take pictures indoors I always use a flash and f/8. I find that indoor images are much nicer layered with depth to them. If I couldn't use flash then I would probably have to go for the Summilux. But as I'm not a wedding photographer then that is a moot point. Here is a low-light image taken with the Elmarit. Hand-held it is less cinematic than the 24mm Summilucx would be but it does negate the idea that the Elmarit is a sunny day lens only. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/114033-considering-the-2414-with-m82/?do=findComment&comment=1243104'>More sharing options...
drjon Posted March 1, 2010 Share #12 Posted March 1, 2010 Here is a low-light image taken with the Elmarit. Hand-held it is less cinematic than the 24mm Summilucx would be but it does negate the idea that the Elmarit is a sunny day lens only. Just to reinforce logic108's point. Here's one shot with 24mm 2.8 and M8. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/114033-considering-the-2414-with-m82/?do=findComment&comment=1243308'>More sharing options...
paisatge Posted March 1, 2010 Share #13 Posted March 1, 2010 I guess you should just stick with what you have if you're planning to get the M9 eventually. You wouldn't miss the tab since it's one of those bigger lens so it's easy to hold and turn the focus ring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcuthbert Posted March 1, 2010 Share #14 Posted March 1, 2010 On the weight front, I've never had an issue. Even when in sticky situations, the combination just felt right. This was the case recently in Burma, 40+ degrees, mosquito's bigger than birds and a combination of the M6 and M8 over my shoulders. On the quality front, there is something very cinematic about this lens. Just shot this as an example, slight curves in Aperture but it should give you a feeling about this lens. Oh and I do shoot at 1.4 when the light is pants (i hate going over 640 with the m8, so 1.4 is useful) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 1, 2010 Share #15 Posted March 1, 2010 This was my very first Summilux 24 shot. I bought it for the shallow DOF, not so much for the speed. It is a magic lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steem21 Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share #16 Posted March 1, 2010 Very nice images - thanks for giving me a flavour as to the character of this lens and it's possibilities for making truly striking images. Logic - you've guessed right. I bought the 24/1.4 a few hours ago and can't wait to start shooting with it. Again, thank you all for your input. It's much appreciated. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert-gregory Posted March 1, 2010 Share #17 Posted March 1, 2010 I was in a similar situation, but deciding on just getting any M-digital - M8 or M9. The 24 Summilux would have been my main wide-normal lens on an M8; big, bulky, but fast and the important advantage limited depth of field to isolate the subject at f1.4. But an M9 came my way before I had to choose M8 vs M9 and can stick with my 35 Summilux and 24 Elmarit. If you are going to get an M9 in the future... you're all set. If you get the 24 Summilux as a temporary solution, you could think of it as a extra expense to the jump for full frame. Great lens and useful I'm sure on either camera, but how much will you use it and can you justify the expense once you get an M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 2, 2010 Share #18 Posted March 2, 2010 The isubject separation on the M9 is even slightly better. I use it as much there as I did on the M8. The thought of a future M9 made me go for 24. If Leica would have stayed with 1.33 I would have bought the 21 Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted March 2, 2010 Share #19 Posted March 2, 2010 On the weight front, I've never had an issue. Even when in sticky situations, the combination just felt right. This was the case recently in Burma, 40+ degrees, mosquito's bigger than birds and a combination of the M6 and M8 over my shoulders. On the quality front, there is something very cinematic about this lens. Just shot this as an example, slight curves in Aperture but it should give you a feeling about this lens. Oh and I do shoot at 1.4 when the light is pants (i hate going over 640 with the m8, so 1.4 is useful) i'm seeing a strange colour gradation from left to right, other than polarisation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steem21 Posted March 2, 2010 Author Share #20 Posted March 2, 2010 Thanks Jaap. I'm heartened to know that you find as much use with the 24/1.4 on the M9 as you did on the M8. The view I get from the 24 on the M8 is very nice. I'm just wondering if it's a challenge to use the 24 on full frame? Is composition a bit more challenging with a full 24 view? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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