wlaidlaw Posted February 10, 2010 Share #21 Posted February 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here is a couple of clips from the same image converted with A3 and C1-5. The A3 one is the one showing the loupe. The skin tones are certainly different, particularly the young guy talking on his phone in the background. On balance, I think I just prefer C1 but A3 is not at all bad. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/112115-aparture-3/?do=findComment&comment=1219923'>More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted February 10, 2010 Share #22 Posted February 10, 2010 £169/£79 inc. VAT. Reasonable compared to Adobe's pricing for Lightroom. Ian, The correct price at today's exchange rates should be £126 + VAT = £148. Apple's UK price is £21 too expensive. I have only ever had trial versions of Aperture, so not eligible for an upgrade. If I do go for the holy grail of a one stop shopping photo-manager and converter, I think it will be Aperture. I find the way that LR manages imports as particularly obscure. For my main use, I think I will continue to use C1-5 + PS CS4 + iPhoto as my library manager but when travelling it is very convenient just to use a single programme. C1-V5's way of managing and setting up session folders for importing is even worse than C1-V4. A3 seems very good. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggurat Posted February 10, 2010 Share #23 Posted February 10, 2010 Still no way to assign camera profiles. Very disappointing for me personally as this is absolutely key to the way I work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitraffer Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share #24 Posted February 10, 2010 There is an update (sorry - only in German): Neue Softwareupdates von Apple | MacGadget Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 10, 2010 Share #25 Posted February 10, 2010 There is an update (sorry - only in German): Neue Softwareupdates von Apple | MacGadget Marc Marc, There are 2 parts to the update. Part one is a Camera RAW update which does include the D-Lux 4 but no mention of the M9 (maybe they feel nothing is needed and the M8/8-2 profile is adequate - I just don't know). Part 2 is to enable the playback of video clips in slide shows. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 10, 2010 Share #26 Posted February 10, 2010 Here is a couple of clips from the same image converted with A3 and C1-5. The A3 one is the one showing the loupe. The skin tones are certainly different, particularly the young guy talking on his phone in the background. On balance, I think I just prefer C1 but A3 is not at all bad. Wilson HI Wilson I've always found that the results with skin tones using the M9 are improved by increasing the red hue by about 8% (towards yellow) and reducing the red saturation slightly. I have this saved as a preset (together with some others). I haven't been able to try it in Aperture3 yet, as my 90Gb library is taking some time to update! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 10, 2010 Share #27 Posted February 10, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) HI WilsonI've always found that the results with skin tones using the M9 are improved by increasing the red hue by about 8% (towards yellow) and reducing the red saturation slightly. I have this saved as a preset (together with some others). I haven't been able to try it in Aperture3 yet, as my 90Gb library is taking some time to update! Jono, I was showing what the "out of the box" result was like without any tweaking. Below is after a bit of tweaking in A3. I went to colours and moved the yellow/magenta slider a bit towards yellow. I then turned the red saturation down about 9% and the yellow up by 8%. I then increased the overall saturation by 5% and increased the brightness a bit, as it was quite a dull misty day (Capri). Again here is a screen shot of the loupe. Still not happy with the skin tones but then I have been playing with A3 for only one morning so far. I find it is very easy to get skin tones right on C1 but I have a lot more experience with it. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/112115-aparture-3/?do=findComment&comment=1220307'>More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 10, 2010 Share #28 Posted February 10, 2010 I'm not surprised that the M9 is not a supported camera, Aperture is geared up to 'pros' - who mainly use Nikon and Canon kit. Its annoying but there we are... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mboerma Posted February 10, 2010 Share #29 Posted February 10, 2010 I'm not surprised that the M9 is not a supported camera, Aperture is geared up to 'pros' - who mainly use Nikon and Canon kit. Its annoying but there we are... That can't be the reason because iPhoto uses the same Camera Raw engine as Aperture and iPhoto is not a pro product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 10, 2010 Share #30 Posted February 10, 2010 I'm not surprised that the M9 is not a supported camera, Aperture is geared up to 'pros' - who mainly use Nikon and Canon kit. Its annoying but there we are... Now becoming totally incorrect. This may have been true to some extent for the M8. At my daughter's wedding there were 10 professional photographers, as her father in law is a pro. I lent my M8 to one of them, as for the afternoon, I was otherwise occupied. Dave to whom I had lent it, said he had great difficulty keeping his colleagues hands off the M8 and that when they learnt that a full frame M9 was due to be released in a few weeks, to a man, they said they would look at getting one. Now these were very much journalistic/art/academic photographers rather than wedding/commercial portrait/straight commercial photographers, so maybe this is somewhat unrepresentative but it still shows the enthusiasm of the pro market for the M9. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTrunck Posted February 11, 2010 Share #31 Posted February 11, 2010 Aperture 3 will process M9 DNG's. I loaded 11 into A3 and it only took a second from the HD folder. No problems and they look great. Jim http://www.jimtrunck.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptarmigan Posted February 11, 2010 Share #32 Posted February 11, 2010 The jury is still out for me with Aperture. I tried using it exclusively for a while but since getting the M8 have been generally been disappointed with the results in comparison with CS1 or PS CS4. I have been using LR 3 beta which i quite like. Don't get my new Mac Pro until next week so will see how you lot get on in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 14, 2010 Share #33 Posted February 14, 2010 Now becoming totally incorrect. This may have been true to some extent for the M8. At my daughter's wedding there were 10 professional photographers, as her father in law is a pro. I lent my M8 to one of them, as for the afternoon, I was otherwise occupied. Dave to whom I had lent it, said he had great difficulty keeping his colleagues hands off the M8 and that when they learnt that a full frame M9 was due to be released in a few weeks, to a man, they said they would look at getting one. Now these were very much journalistic/art/academic photographers rather than wedding/commercial portrait/straight commercial photographers, so maybe this is somewhat unrepresentative but it still shows the enthusiasm of the pro market for the M9. Wilson Seriously, lets be honest, Leica has its place in the pro world, but I'd say the vast majority of photographers use other kit, namely Canon and Nikon. It is that simple. Think of it like this: Leica is akin to Apple Mac, great kit, but only 10ish% market share, depending on which source one reads. It is no criticism of Leica or its followers, Leica is a niche product. Doesn't it mean anything to you, that pro photographers in the example you give above, didn't really know what the M8 was capable of, and the fact that the M9 was out soon? If Leica really went for the mass market, then surely the vast majority of PPs would know all about the kit, and the system, etc etc? Additionally, getting an M9 wouldn't mean long waiting lists. -- Going back to the question of Aperture 3, being a seasoned Aperture 2 addict, I think the new features are very good, albeit a little dumbed down, my guess is to make the transition from iPhoto to Aperture easier. I am waiting for Nik to launch 64-bit versions of their plugins. Otherwise, a very welcome addition, and noticeably snappier than before. The only real issue is this, you do need a fast and current (Intel) Mac to use the software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 14, 2010 Share #34 Posted February 14, 2010 Most of the guys I spoke to, who were in the 40 to 60 year old range, had grown up using Leicas in their early student days but like many of us, transitioned to SLR's in the 60's and 70's when rangefinders seemed a bit quirky. When SLR's became ever more bloated in the 90's, a few us more enlightened went back to RF's but the pro's stayed with SLR's and MF. I agree that Leica had gone off the radar of the pro market but it was interesting to see how much pleasure they got from handling a Leica again (taking them back to their youth). When a couple of them printed up some of the results later in the day, they were astonished how good the results were from just 10 MP on the M8. When they heard that 18MP and full frame was on the way, they started salivating. Now a few months on, the M9 has had a lot of very good press in the USA and I understand that its profile is far higher than the M8's ever was. I doubt however, if they will ever reach the penetration of Mac. I think Leica would be very happy with 1% of the market. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxBob Posted February 23, 2010 Share #35 Posted February 23, 2010 I'm not surprised that the M9 is not a supported camera, Aperture is geared up to 'pros' - who mainly use Nikon and Canon kit. Its annoying but there we are... If you go onto Apple's Aperture Discussion Forum, you will find Nikon, Canon and everybody else complaining about how long it takes for their particular Raw converter to appear. The trick, as has been said, is to use DNG. C1. I had the trial of C1 and liked the Raw conversion, although it was a bit on the red side. It was especially good in the control of skin tones. In the end I decided against it because it is not an 'organiser' that can help in teh management of your work and work flow, as can Aperture and it does not have a print facility. the Aperture print interface has also improved in aperture 3 but i have yet to do any testing on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger1914 Posted February 23, 2010 Share #36 Posted February 23, 2010 As a long term Aperture user I happily upgraded to v 3. On my Core 2 duo Mac Book Pro the thing is absolutely unuseable. When I load it, it goes ballistic on RAM use, and starts swapping out to the hard disk. This is just trying to process thumbnails! Eventually the system locks up as it runs out of hard disk. The Apple forums are full of people with exactly this problem. So until a fix is issued, be warned. You may have this problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxBob Posted February 24, 2010 Share #37 Posted February 24, 2010 As a long term Aperture user I happily upgraded to v 3. On my Core 2 duo Mac Book Pro the thing is absolutely unuseable. When I load it, it goes ballistic on RAM use, and starts swapping out to the hard disk. This is just trying to process thumbnails! Eventually the system locks up as it runs out of hard disk. The Apple forums are full of people with exactly this problem. So until a fix is issued, be warned. You may have this problem. I too had many problems, not with upgrading the s/w but with upgrading the library, as I have said elsewhere on the forum. I switched off faces, location and switched back to 32 bit mode. After a bit more whirring and and clunking it made it and I am pleased with the new features although I haven't' yet got down to heavy use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger1914 Posted February 24, 2010 Share #38 Posted February 24, 2010 I too had many problems, not with upgrading the s/w but with upgrading the library, as I have said elsewhere on the forum. I switched off faces, location and switched back to 32 bit mode. After a bit more whirring and and clunking it made it and I am pleased with the new features although I haven't' yet got down to heavy use. I installed from disc, not download, and was not given the option of running in 32 bit mode. Evidently this was another bug. I found out that if I booted in safe mode and then restarted THEN I would have the option of running in 32 bit mode. I did this last night & it worked, so now at least I can get it started. This is still a very buggy release, especially by Apple standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted February 24, 2010 Share #39 Posted February 24, 2010 I disagree, I downloaded, I have the latest 24 iMac before they went to the 27 inch size. Aperture runs really nicely on my machine, I imported the library with no problems. It took hours to do this, but since then, its been smooth. You should be able to boot in 32-bit mode by clicking cmd+i on the Aperture icon in the Applications folder, and selecting 'Open in 32-bit mode' under the General option. I have to do this to run the Nik plugins until an update is released. Good luck - ShivaYash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose Posted February 25, 2010 Share #40 Posted February 25, 2010 I installed from disc, not download, and was not given the option of running in 32 bit mode. Evidently this was another bug. David, if you like work with Aperture 3.X in 32 bits: Click" in the Aperture icon; then "Cmd + i" (for open the information window) and -> check "Open in 32 bits Mode"(or similar, I'm translating...). Saludos, jose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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