Don Helmudo Posted February 9, 2010 Share #41 Posted February 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I took SJPs link and the site is actually up. You need to have flash installed and not blocked (as I have with click2flash). I am interested in the results although I will pick up my X1 on thursday no matter what your results may be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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diogenis Posted February 9, 2010 Share #42 Posted February 9, 2010 I'm just a bit surprised that you can find so much wanting in it - in your para.1 and then eventually conclude that it is going to satisfy everyone. This sounds like the kind of review we see so often where the reviewer doesn't want to piss-off his sponsors. First of all to clear things up, I'm not a reviewer, rather the average Joe Consumer. Why I believe it is a nice product, but expensive? But because it beats every other P&S hands down. Nothing can compare to this p&s image. It means it takes very nice pics. There are many out there that don't care about response times. Secondly my main cam is an M8, and there is no comparison with the M8 in terms of speed. That means that (since most of us use mainly Ms) we are used to take the picture as soon as we press the trigger. With this P&S however one must take his pics in 2 steps: 1st step focus until green light is on 2nd step wait until actually take the shot with very little lag. However no matter the procedure, the end result will reward you. Now does all this worth 1500euros? I don't know. As don't understand why some can't handle an M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 9, 2010 Share #43 Posted February 9, 2010 I took SJPs link and the site is actually up. You need to have flash installed and not blocked (as I have with click2flash). I am interested in the results although I will pick up my X1 on thursday no matter what your results may be The original site is still down (shootingdigital.com) sjp send us an archive god bless him, but now I gave M8 for repairs Anyway with this tool you can investigate all the aspects of the X1 with great ease. And do remember the tool also includes your own response times as well, which actually is what happens when you want to take a pic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 9, 2010 Share #44 Posted February 9, 2010 With this P&S however one must take his pics in 2 steps: 1st step focus until green light is on 2nd step wait until actually take the shot with very little lag... Right, but I guess most of us were hoping for better than a P&S. $2,000 (us) is a lot to get a crap LCD and slow AF, that is why people complain. After using the GF1 yesterday, I see how good AF can be in a compact body. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer the X1 to the GF1, but Leica did make some weird choices with regards to X1. To me this is a camera that is easy to love and easy to hate. I know I'll be fine with it, but can completely understand why most won't buy this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 9, 2010 Share #45 Posted February 9, 2010 The LCD is not crap. It does what it's supposed to do. Double or quadruple its resolution and it gives you nothing more than eye candy. It won't help you take better pics. And I also forgot to mention that the screen shows live histograms too, which is exactly what I miss on an M. We/you knew about its slow AF. It will never be as fast as the GF1 on this area, but maybe there is some room for development from Leica (maybe), but I wouldn't expect miracles. On the other hand, it gives better images, works better in the dark, is lighter, more elegant, has way better handling is totally silent and is more expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 9, 2010 Share #46 Posted February 9, 2010 The LCD is not crap. It does what it's supposed to do. Double or quadruple its resolution and it gives you nothing more than eye candy. It won't help you take better pics.. Actually, this is BS. It would help with manual focusing at the very least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
contaxgary Posted February 9, 2010 Share #47 Posted February 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) The LCD is not crap. It does what it's supposed to do. Double or quadruple its resolution and it gives you nothing more than eye candy. It won't help you take better pics. You imply by this statement that manual focus is not properly implemented in that a low resolution screen, the only screen available for manual focus, is of no consequence. So, now we have a poor autofocus and a low resolution screen for manual focus. Should Leica listen to those of us that want to buy this camera, but won't buy this camera, then we should have a viable X2. I suspect by the time that the X2 appears that some of the big players will enter this market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markpsf Posted February 9, 2010 Share #48 Posted February 9, 2010 Stephen: You may have stated this somewhere that I've missed, but have you tried using it with zone focusing, presetting the distance, in "normal" daylight conditions? My primary use would be using the camera with a preset hyperfocal distance in normal conditions (meaning bright clouds to sunlight) for street shooting. Many shots are of stationary people but sometimes there is movement. I don't care if the AF is a little slow and rarely take the time to manual focus unless the subject is truly stationary. If the camera will fire quickly zone focused it will be great for me. If the camera won't be effective used that way AND the AF is slow, then it wouldn't meet my needs, however much I love it's other qualities. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 9, 2010 Share #49 Posted February 9, 2010 The LCD's resolution is enough to do the job. Other things do matter when we are talking about manual focusing but not the screen's resolution. 1. Sun's reflection: it entirely kills the concept (I believe, I didn't tested it against the sun: no sun) 2. I would say the magnified square is very small. They can make it to cover the entire screen 3. It is very sensitive to movement 4. the distance wheel is very slow: it takes a lot of time to go from smallest distance to infinity. 5. There are no visual aids to help you focus fast. The M8 for instance solves this based on eye's acuity. X1 could have given a visual approach numeric or graphic when you get the biggest sharpness, through some firmware tricks. As it is, maybe manual focusing is there for zonefocusing, but I didn't remembered to check if it displayed DoF. The big issues are AF times, and traces of chromatic aberration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted February 9, 2010 Share #50 Posted February 9, 2010 Stephen: You may have stated this somewhere that I've missed, but have you tried using it with zone focusing, presetting the distance, in "normal" daylight conditions? My primary use would be using the camera with a preset hyperfocal distance in normal conditions (meaning bright clouds to sunlight) for street shooting. Many shots are of stationary people but sometimes there is movement. I don't care if the AF is a little slow and rarely take the time to manual focus unless the subject is truly stationary. If the camera will fire quickly zone focused it will be great for me. If the camera won't be effective used that way AND the AF is slow, then it wouldn't meet my needs, however much I love it's other qualities. Mark Sorry for any confusion. I do not own an X1 (yet) but I am considering it. Using the X1 with zone focussing sounds like an interesting option to speed things up and I hope people will be giving some hard data e.g. using the shutter lag timer that I posted above. From the videos of the X1 in action I get the impression the AF shutter lag is OK but not brilliant. For fast shooting a reponsive manual focus mode would be very important for me as well. I do not see an obvious technical reason why it should have an appreciable shutter lag in manual, but here numbers are more relevant than opinions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsva Posted February 9, 2010 Share #51 Posted February 9, 2010 I did the shutter delay test suggested by SJP. X1 fully manual mode: 0.25 seconds Nikon D200 fully manual mode: 0.00 seconds X1 manual focus or autofocus halfpressed: 0.00 seconds X1 autofocus macro, previously focused to same distance: 0.6 - 0.7 seconds X1 autofocus macro, previously focused to other end of room: 1.4-1.7 seconds X1 autofocus non-macro, previously focused to other end of room: 1.2-1.3 seconds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstefanlenz Posted February 9, 2010 Share #52 Posted February 9, 2010 I did the shutter delay test suggested by SJP. X1 fully manual mode: 0.25 seconds Nikon D200 fully manual mode: 0.00 seconds hi, can u do it with the different af settings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsva Posted February 9, 2010 Share #53 Posted February 9, 2010 hi, can u do it with the different af settings? Yes, I just did and added the results above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstefanlenz Posted February 9, 2010 Share #54 Posted February 9, 2010 i had the x1 in hands did a few pics. to me the results seemed at least as good as the d-lux4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Helmudo Posted February 9, 2010 Share #55 Posted February 9, 2010 X1 manual focus or autofocus halfpressed: 0.00 seconds How on earth could that have happened I am missing one test: X1 autofocus non-macro, previously focused to other end of room Another thing: I have been using P&S for about 10 years before I got my M8. Never have I not pre-focused. So the time it takes to shoot from the first touch of the button is not relevant to me and I guess is not for the most user. The regular process is: - Point on main subject - Half press for focus - Move to desired frame - Fire! It is never point and directly shoot because you could never focus your subject and than compose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsva Posted February 9, 2010 Share #56 Posted February 9, 2010 How on earth could that have happened I added the non-macro test. The 0.00 result come from the test method. It's not an exact test as it depends on pressing the button exactly as it passes zero. This is more about a sense of rythm than reaction time. My timing may have some error but this error is pretty consistent as the results were pretty even over several tries. Also the Nikon D200 is there as a fast shooting reference. My guess would be that the 0:00 results means less than 0:05 in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 9, 2010 Share #57 Posted February 9, 2010 Image quality: 10+ Looks: 8 AF: 3 Battery: 1 Fluidity of use: 6 (Just a guess based on the moaning here) peterb, I doubt that any Lithium battery deserves such a low score unless it is faulty! What is often overlooked is the fact that new batteries need to be 'run in' before they reach their maximum storage capacity. This is not Leica specific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 9, 2010 Share #58 Posted February 9, 2010 The regular process is: - Point on main subject - Half press for focus - Move to desired frame - Fire! It is never point and directly shoot because you could never focus your subject and than compose. Yep, as long as there is huge lag this way, I am satisfied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Helmudo Posted February 9, 2010 Share #59 Posted February 9, 2010 Yep, as long as there is huge lag this way, I am satisfied. What do you mean by that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted February 9, 2010 Share #60 Posted February 9, 2010 What do you mean by that? Oops, meant to say as long as there isn't ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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