eleskin Posted February 3, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, maybe not an S2 Killer, but $7,000 is my limit for ANY camera body as I am a normal Pro with a normal budget. Anything more than this price is way out for me. I am planning on the M9 this year and that is stretching my budget. This is really good news for those of us who cannot afford the big price of getting into Medium Format Digital. I have a 645N, and the lenses are very inexpensive and superb. So we will begin to see more choices in Medium Format. In this economy, Pentax may have the winning combination of value and quality. I cannot understand why they waited. I am sure the S2 is better, but I am also sure this Pentax will not be to shabby either! It is interesting to not Eastman Kodak is making the sensor!!!! Maybe Pentax learned something from Leica!!! It will be CCD from what I know and 31-39MP!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 3, 2010 Posted February 3, 2010 Hi eleskin, Take a look here S2 killer! Pentax 645d soon!!!!!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
adan Posted February 3, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 3, 2010 Is this the same vapor-camera Pentax has been - vaguely - talking about and showing wooden mockups of since 2006? Pentax has cried "Wolf" with this camera so many times that they have no credibility at all until they actually put one on the counter. Why the multiple exclamation points? You read like a teenager texting about her prom dress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted February 3, 2010 PDN NEWS: "645 D MEDIUM FORMAT DIGITAL ON TRACK FOR 2010" is the quote. I believe it!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleskin Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted February 3, 2010 I have also heard $6,500 USD. That will rock the photo world~~~~!!! At least in my eyes it will!! Nothing will be in that price range, and in this economy, a sure sell among many pros!!! 30K for an S2 w Lens is hard to swallow for many of us who work hard and make money, but not enough to justify 30K!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoody Posted February 3, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 3, 2010 I've read a statement claiming it's a company priority and will be the next SLR that Pentax is going to ship. As a hedge, I bought a mint 35mm 645 lens on the cheap knowing that used lens prices *could* increase once the system ships (assuming they're compatible). Yeah, might be a stupid move... time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted February 3, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 3, 2010 Adan is right, this camera has been vaporware for quite some time. But it sure would be great to see it come to market as a way for students and start-ups to get into MF at a more reasonable cost. However, there is no way a Pentax can be an S2 killer since the S2 was not built for price-shoppers. Pentax would be competing mostly against the lower end of mamiya/hasselblad and the higher end of 35mm DSLRs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted February 5, 2010 Share #7 Posted February 5, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Adan is right, this camera has been vaporware for quite some time. But it sure would be great to see it come to market as a way for students and start-ups to get into MF at a more reasonable cost. However, there is no way a Pentax can be an S2 killer since the S2 was not built for price-shoppers. Pentax would be competing mostly against the lower end of mamiya/hasselblad and the higher end of 35mm DSLRs You seem to forget the S2 with its 37.5MP is at the lower end in MF land. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted February 5, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 5, 2010 You seem to forget the S2 with its 37.5MP is at the lower end in MF land. that's if you're shopping for cameras according to resolution in terms of megapixels....btw that's how amateurs shop for cameras at Best Buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted February 5, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 5, 2010 If this is true... ... Pentax would be competing mostly against the lower end of mamiya/hasselblad and the higher end of 35mm DSLRs ...and the one below is also true... that's if you're shopping for cameras according to resolution in terms of megapixels....btw that's how amateurs shop for cameras at Best Buy ...then, I think we have a small logical inconsistency here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogopix Posted February 5, 2010 Share #10 Posted February 5, 2010 What is "Best Buy"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 5, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 5, 2010 What is "Best Buy"? It's like Dixons, Currys or Comet. It's also from where Leica 'acquired' Steven Lee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephengilbert Posted February 5, 2010 Share #12 Posted February 5, 2010 I love this place: any mention of a rumored new product by Pentax, Hasselblad, etc. has all the in-the-know experts calling it "vapourware;" any mention of a new product by Leica, and it's like the Second Coming. "Leica is the best, their lenses are better than anyone else's, even the lenses that haven't been produced yet (just look at the specs)." Of course if the specs aren't clearly better, there's the Leica "glow" (as you know, we can't judge lenses based on specs). This forum should be held in a revival tent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_w Posted February 5, 2010 Share #13 Posted February 5, 2010 This forum should be held in a revival tent. Ha Ha Ha! Made my day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted February 5, 2010 Share #14 Posted February 5, 2010 I love this place: any mention of a rumored new product by Pentax, Hasselblad, etc. has all the in-the-know experts calling it "vapourware;" any mention of a new product by Leica, and it's like the Second Coming. "Leica is the best, their lenses are better than anyone else's, even the lenses that haven't been produced yet (just look at the specs)." Of course if the specs aren't clearly better, there's the Leica "glow" (as you know, we can't judge lenses based on specs). This forum should be held in a revival tent. This is the Church of Leica. Anybody here who has only the slightest inkling of reality or just portraits an open mind, get's immediately crucified. Frankly, I don't like this forum all too much anymore. Too many blind fanatics or clowns with more money than brains. On a side note, there's a rumour going around Nikon is coming out soon with a digital rangefinder with M-mount. I can already hear the word "blasphemy" in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted February 5, 2010 Share #15 Posted February 5, 2010 Pentax has a problem with the format for the next camera. They have two possibilities: 1) A 645 format camera (lenses, viewfinder, etc.) with a cropped sensor. This would allow an interesting price, but cropped sensors are a pain in the ass. 2) A camera for a new (smaller) format (new lenses, viewfinder, etc.) with compatibility with old 645 AF lenses. This is, basically, that Leica did. Leica S2's problem is the price. Pentax hasn't technical problems, but marketing problems (product position in the market, and price). They will ship the 645D camera only if they solve this problem. The key variable is the price. $7000 is a price too low, to be realistic, but they need something around $10.000 and a format like that of Leica (at least 50% larger than 24x36). I think the S2 may be a failure due to price, and the Pentax may be a success if they handle this better than Leica did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Villain Posted February 5, 2010 Share #16 Posted February 5, 2010 Excuse me. Nice insult there but I'm talking to a religious Leica fanatic here. What else to expect than total ignorance to reality.As far as I know both MF companies, Phase and Hasselblad, have their offerings categorized by an amateurish system (when believing you) like P40+ (40MP), H4D40 (40MP) and so on. Get the drift? The S2 is an in-between product and a very expensive way to play Beta tester. It's a glorified weather sealed studio camera that is pretty much useless passed 160 ISO. And in regards to being a MF system, it's far from that with just a few lenses. Guess, in your snobbish, screwed up world the only thing matters is whether a camera has a little red dot on it or not. What else to expect from a guy who's Beta testing his own brains. Give it back, you don't need it anyway. I'd rather be a snob than a poser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted February 5, 2010 Share #17 Posted February 5, 2010 I'd rather be a snob than a poser Don't know why you call me a poser (guess, lack of better ideas) but I agree with you 100%. You certainly are a snob! How was the saying? A fool is parted with his money quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 5, 2010 Share #18 Posted February 5, 2010 Why don't you all just invoke Godwin and be done with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 5, 2010 Share #19 Posted February 5, 2010 any mention of a rumored new product by Pentax, Hasselblad, etc. has all the in-the-know experts calling it "vapourware;" any mention of a new product by Leica, and it's like the Second Coming. Well, if you actually read the forum over the years, you'd have seen plenty of references to the S2 as "vaporware" during its 15-month gestation (announcement to deliveries) - even from the "church of Leica" folks. OTOH, Pentax has been talking up the 645 digital since March 2005 (see first sentence here: Pentax 645 Digital medium format camera). Even PDN called it "back from the dead?" - a year ago: PDNPulse: Pentax 645 Digital Camera Back from the Dead (Again?) "The concept of a Pentax 645 digital camera has died and been reborn so many times in recent years we're thinking of calling this ill-fated medium format idea 'The Jason Voorhees camera.' " Might want to do a little research and check your facts before snarking off. If 15 months is vaporware - 59 months (and still counting) is really vaporware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 5, 2010 Share #20 Posted February 5, 2010 On a side note, there's a rumour going around Nikon is coming out soon with a digital rangefinder with M-mount. I can already hear the word "blasphemy" in the air. Actually, regarding your imagined "response" - not so. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/114685-m-mount-nikon-digital-rangefinder.html But why let facts get in the way of ignorance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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