David Monkhouse Posted February 1, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 1, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since I finally converted from projecting slides to showing my photographs on a flat screen television I have been tempted to crop to 16 by 9 in order to maximize the screen picture size. As a Leica user for many years I know how the 35mm format came about but where did 16 by 9 come from. I have never thought that the 35mm format was perfect, just two cine frames turned sideways plus the gap is no excuse and I seriously like 16 by 9, is it something to do with the distance between ones eyes. Currently I convert the RAW image to produce two jpg's, one of which is cropped to the image and the other to 16 by 9 to fit the television. But I am finding that 16 by 9 is growing on me as a photographic format. Am I alone. Should I start taking the tablets. And why does Adobe Photoshop Elements not have a 16 by 9 format for its slide show programme. ps, and if you check out my gallery below and the latest shots of my county of Derbyshire you will see what I mean... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted February 1, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 1, 2010 I really like 16:9 as well... but only if my camera has that ratio. I would never crop to get that format. I like all formats though... square, standard, panaramic, etc. = all great to me. Outside of square and 35mm, 16:9 is my favorite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted February 1, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 1, 2010 As a Leica user for many years I know how the 35mm format came about but where did 16 by 9 come from. Does this help? Where does 16:9 come from? By the way, I like 16:9 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 1, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 1, 2010 If I'm producing a "video slide show," I usually crop to 16:9. As Nicole's link points out, it is a good compromise among the various formats that have been used historically for film and TV - and "35mm Barnack format" 15:10 (3:2) as well. (Except for verticals!) The "Golden Mean" proportion is 16:10, so 16:9 and 15:10 bracket that nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Monkhouse Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted February 2, 2010 If I'm producing a "video slide show," I usually crop to 16:9. As Nicole's link points out, it is a good compromise among the various formats that have been used historically for film and TV - and "35mm Barnack format" 15:10 (3:2) as well. (Except for verticals!) The "Golden Mean" proportion is 16:10, so 16:9 and 15:10 bracket that nicely. Andy, what programme do you use for your video slide shows that gives 16 by 9 format. Adobe only gives 4 by 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 2, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 2, 2010 Real HDTV editing programs like iMovie or Final Cut. Examples would the first and third videos here: ColoradoSeen - RMI Archives or a couple more: Her name is Jennifer on Vimeo fakie on Vimeo (actually created using Apple's Keynote - roughly equivalent to Powerpoint) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Monkhouse Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted February 2, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Real HDTV editing programs like iMovie or Final Cut. Examples would the first and third videos here: ColoradoSeen - RMI Archives or a couple more: Her name is Jennifer on Vimeo fakie on Vimeo (actually created using Apple's Keynote - roughly equivalent to Powerpoint) very interesting and thankyou but I run windows XP and I think that is the problem, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleeman Posted February 2, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 2, 2010 This is a noteworthy post. 16x9 is a very interesting format for HD video, gives motion and certain expressions visually more room. I belive a number of point and shoots offer this format too. I also think one is sunk if they decide on any other format than landscape when it comes to large Plasma or LCD playback. I've been creating a number of 4 x 10 images that I have taken. I'll even squeeze two on one 8x10 print then cut myself and mount. This gives the viewer an invitation to come closer to see the print and then gets some head turning to take it in. Back to 16x9. since we can not drop in new screens like a Hasselblad or some SLR cameras having strong previsualization skills need to be developed and used. Promotes my favorite lenses too, 21mm and wider. I wonder if anyone could make an external hood for the view finder to give a 16x9 format? Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 2, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 2, 2010 David - Adobe Premiere Elements (at least some version) should run under Windows XP: create video, movie editing, movie software | Adobe Premiere Elements 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Monkhouse Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share #10 Posted February 2, 2010 Andy, thanks for that, i've just downloaded a trial version of Adobe Elements 8 and it does not have a 16 by 9 facility, in fact it is no different to version 4 when it comes to producing a slide show. Are you saying that the premier version has a 16 by 9 function. Looking at the review material the premier would seem to add a video facility. Am I right with this conclusion and if so can the video work with just photographs as I am not into video. If you can help it would be appreciated as it is time consuming to download a trial version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 3, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 3, 2010 Adobe Premiere is a video editing program - Adobe Premiere Elements is a reduced capability version of that program for less money. Not the same thing as Adobe Photoshop Elements - which is a reduced capability version of Adobe Photoshop for less money. So far as I know, Premiere should be able to handle still images just as easily as motion video clips. Unless it is hopelessly behind the times. I used iMovie for a couple of years just for making still-image slide shows before I even owned a video camera. It is not an image-editing program, so you will need Photoshop Elements for making photographic adjustments - dodging, burning, brightness and color correction. And then Premiere Elements (or the full version) for stringing the pictures together in 16:9 format and adding audio and dissolves if desired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleeman Posted February 4, 2010 Share #12 Posted February 4, 2010 Adobe Premiere is a video editing program - Adobe Premiere Elements is a reduced capability version of that program for less money. Not the same thing as Adobe Photoshop Elements - which is a reduced capability version of Adobe Photoshop for less money. So far as I know, Premiere should be able to handle still images just as easily as motion video clips. Unless it is hopelessly behind the times. I used iMovie for a couple of years just for making still-image slide shows before I even owned a video camera. It is not an image-editing program, so you will need Photoshop Elements for making photographic adjustments - dodging, burning, brightness and color correction. And then Premiere Elements (or the full version) for stringing the pictures together in 16:9 format and adding audio and dissolves if desired. I've been doing professional productions for 29 years, from movie film to digital video. Adobe Premiere is very powerful and can handle almost anything you throw at it. I am not aware of just how much you was stripped out of the Elements Version. I would imagine it was a lot since the cost is 1/12 or less. If you have the money to buy Premiere CS4 it will give you great returns for your investment. If you are thinking of buying it, just know that Mid-April is NAB, the biggest trade show in the production world and Adobe always rolls out new versions in Mid April. Well some years they have been cheap and rolled out .5 half version updates, and still charged for the update. So I predict CS5 will be out on April 15th-ish. Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted February 4, 2010 Share #13 Posted February 4, 2010 Hi, Lee - I suspected Premiere was fully capable - but just didn't want to promise anything, not having used it myself since the "LE" era around 1996. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daleeman Posted February 6, 2010 Share #14 Posted February 6, 2010 Hi, Lee - I suspected Premiere was fully capable - but just didn't want to promise anything, not having used it myself since the "LE" era around 1996. Hay, thanks for your message. I often,almost every day do production at 1080x720. One can actually set up almost any size for a product. So I have done many NTSC 4x3 slide shows in Premiere over the years but until this thread have I thought about using 16x9 or direct M8 layout for slide shows. I bet it would work fine. Thing is, most all video is still 72dpi, height by width ratios are cool, but 72 dpi is what is screen resolution. Given a bit more time,I could do some experiments. Wonder where I could post a native M8 version test, Utube would not be suitable it would just eat it up resolution wise. Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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