Aperture 2 Posted January 23, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 23, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a problem in the two last films I have made. Some of the pictures I have back from my photograph show a defect. This defect is like a white oval spot, it does not look like a reflexion. This has appeared in 2 different films but not in all pictures. The films were high sensitivity 800 and 1600 ISO black and white. I used the 50 mm 1.4 f with the hood placed, maybe with IR/UV filter. Could it be the development of the film (maybe you had the same problem ?) Is it a problem of light entering the camera ? I think some people had this problem in the past - at the beginning of MP production. Maybe not seen before as in the past I used 100-400 ASA films ? I would like to have your opinion before sending my camera back ! It is a 1 year old MP and used for less than 10 films...(usually I use my M8) Thank you in advance for your feed-back. I attach 4 pictures, 2 complete and 2 cropped for detail of the deffect. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/110443-problem-with-my-mp/?do=findComment&comment=1197668'>More sharing options...
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el.nino Posted January 23, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 23, 2010 That looks like a burn-hole in the shutter curtain, and you should see it when looking at the curtains without a lens mounted. Leica FAQ - Burning a hole in your shutter curtain p.s. NEVER expose your lens to the sun with the aperture wide open (like leaving it on a table for a few minutes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted January 23, 2010 Share #3 Posted January 23, 2010 I'd check it was on the negatives. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aperture 2 Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted January 24, 2010 "el.nino", thank you for the links it was a very interesting and important information. I think this danger is not sufficiently known (at least is the first time I heard about). "Xmas", before posting I took a look to the scanned negatives and sow the same defect. After reading your message I took a look to the actual negatives...nothing ! It thus seems that the laboratory did not scan the negatives but the (bad)printed pictures. Thank you for the obvious but useful advise...I was in "panic mode" and forgot such basic verification. Best regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsj Posted January 24, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 24, 2010 maybe you catched ghosts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted January 24, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 24, 2010 You have just won the lottery, as new shutter expensive, good lesson though best to use a lens cap when you are not shooting. Or use a Canon P, VI or 7 If you do this it is necessary to palm the lens cap other wise you will take its photo all too often. HCB the master did this, if he needed to do it, you and I do as well. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el.nino Posted January 24, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 24, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) "el.nino", thank you for the links it was a very interesting and important information. I think this danger is not sufficiently known (at least is the first time I heard about). It's in the manual, but I didn't read it neither and so I had to take this lesson the hard way (about 500€). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted January 24, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 24, 2010 It's in the manual, but I didn't read it neither and so I had to take this lesson the hard way (about 500€). Woooo when I snapped a ribbon on my M4 I went for the full service 175 GBP, cause the camera had not seen any maintenance for +40 years, a shutter repair would have been less. I got a finder enhancement thrown as well, and the camera is really slick. Dont worry too much about we cant do it until whenever it was quicker then promised. Noel P.S. Ribbons do snap P.P.S. Price Guide 2009/10- Leica Repairs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el.nino Posted January 24, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 24, 2010 As I live in germany I let Leica do the curtain-replacement. Can't remember the exact price, might have been "only" 300€. But all my equipment is covered by insurance, so I didn't care very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twittle Posted January 25, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2010 Looks like a burned shutter to me, too (though the fact that it doesn't show on the neg may point to some other problem). I also learned the hard way... except that mine was still covered by passport when it happened so it didn't cost me anything but time without a camera. Good luck and don't point your camera at the sun for too long without the lens cap in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aperture 2 Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share #11 Posted January 25, 2010 I m not sure to be able to see such a small spot on the negatives. The two films were developped sequencially at the same lab. I will now make a color film and use another lab. If the defect still there in the new film then I will know that is the MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twittle Posted January 25, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 25, 2010 When I burned my shutter I was definitely able to see the resulting bright spot on the film itself--however it could be that I burned my shutter worse that you may have burned yours. Whatever the case, I hope you're able to find out what the problem is soon so you can get it rectified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 25, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 25, 2010 Shutter holes are usually more defined and appear more like a small circular point. You should easily be able to see if there is a hole by shining a bright light into the lens throat and looking at the shutter curtains from the film gate (checking both curtains!). Assuming it's not a hole and not a processing defect, then it is probably a small light leak coming in from the viewfinder area - I've seen this before - which is why it doesn't always appear, just depends on how strong the light is and the angles as to whether it makes its way onto the film. There is some internal light seal which Leica would need to replace. But check the curtains and film/processing first to be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el.nino Posted January 25, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 25, 2010 you really should be able to see any hole in the shutter curtains. cannot imagine it's coming from the viewfinder. it wouldn't be so well defined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted January 25, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 25, 2010 Could well be a light leak. I had something a bit similar with my M6TTL, caused by light leaking in from the small rangefinder window. If you held the camera against the light and looked very carefully through the open back, with the shutter open and the lens cap on, you could actually see where the light was coming in somewhere above the shutter. Fortunately, my camera was still under warranty, so it went back to Solms for fixing. Never got the exact description of what it was, but I guess they replaced some light seal. Best Regards, markus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 25, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 25, 2010 cannot imagine it's coming from the viewfinder. it wouldn't be so well defined. It would. There are previous examples posted on this forum if you want to search for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted January 25, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 25, 2010 I m not sure to be able to see such a small spot on the negatives. The two films were developped sequencially at the same lab. I will now make a color film and use another lab. If the defect still there in the new film then I will know that is the MP. Hi Good idea, the color of any problem will indicate if the light is from in front or or in behind the film. I burn hole tends to be a Sun Image i.e. a small spot. Easy to see by opening the rear trap door and looking at the shutter blind before and after firing, the pin hole shows up real easy. But your looks like a scanner problem. If you are poor you can refill the pin hole (or holes) with black fabric paint, then leave to dry for 48 hours, before winding or firing. Noel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aperture 2 Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted February 14, 2010 I asked for a reprint of the 2 films...no problem any more ! It was a lab problem. I m soooo happy ! Furthermore I learned a lot with this thread, It will enable me to avoid a real burning in the future. Thanks to all posters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 14, 2010 Share #19 Posted February 14, 2010 The people who use early SLRs without instant return mirrors, find that their 2nd blinds get a more general sun burn decay, because the 1st blinds are masked by the mirrors. It is important to wind on immediately you take a shot. A lens cap is real useful for a rfdr cam with a rubber fabric shutter.... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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