mustafasoleiman Posted January 8, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 8, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone compared the output od the X1 to the M8? All I see is comparisons between the X1 and 4/3 and other small cameras. I am more interested to see how it compares in terms of image quality and the need to make large prints (i print the M8 up to 1 meter), to the M8. I am not interested in other comparisons to 4/3 etc. as I don't have one and are not interested in one... on the other hand I am looking for a slightly smaller camera then the M8, without loosing any quality. I already have the M8, so do not suggest it please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted January 8, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2010 Outside of the fact that you are stuck with one lens (and the M8 can use lenses of worse or better quality than the X1), the X1's sensor should be on par with the M8's... and may even be better at higher ISOs. I think you can see that in many reviews. The M8, as you know, looks pretty bad at 2500 in color... the X1's 3200 color photos are not nearly as bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted January 8, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted January 8, 2010 Outside of the fact that you are stuck with one lens (and the M8 can use lenses of worse or better quality than the X1), the X1's sensor should be on par with the M8's... and may even be better at higher ISOs. I think you can see that in many reviews. The M8, as you know, looks pretty bad at 2500 in color... the X1's 3200 color photos are not nearly as bad. Yes I read that, thanks... I would use the X1 to replace my M8.2 and Summicron 28 only when I would not carry the M camera, due to it's bulk... Now I ALWAYS do... but sometimes it's a pain. I actually prefer the X1 to have a fixed lens, and I would prefer it still to not have a telescopic one... alas, you can't have it all. The maximum ISO I use the M8.2 is 640, above is just too messy for me, that means I would have to use 1280 on the X1 to offset the slower lens... How does that ISO setting compare to the M8's 640? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted January 8, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 8, 2010 back 10-20 years ago I ended up buying a minilux over a minlux zoom for just that reason- a fixed focal length lens will always produce better images than a telephoto lens... i can't wait for the x1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theendlesshouse Posted January 8, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 8, 2010 So the X1 is equal to the M8? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted January 8, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 8, 2010 back 10-20 years ago I ended up buying a minilux over a minlux zoom for just that reason- a fixed focal length lens will always produce better images than a telephoto lens... i can't wait for the x1 Although I think I agree with your point (fixed focus lenses are beter in IQ than zoom) it is worth noting that a zoom lens is not the same as a telephoto lens. A zoom lens is a lens with a variable focal length. A telephoto lens is a lens which is shorter than its actual focal length (tele-elmarit 90/2.8 for example), and conversely a retrofocus lens is lens which is longer than its focal length (like the 21 and 24 lux and the WATE, compared to the Zeiss Hologon which is a 'regular' 16 mm lens ). One of the most revolutionary telephoto lenses was the 35 mm tele lens of the Olympus XA rangefinder, which allowed the camera to be less than 35 mm thick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 9, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 9, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) So the X1 is equal to the M8? In certain ways yes, it appears to be. It depends on what lens is on the M8, ISO setting used, and situation you are in though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted January 9, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 9, 2010 . In certain ways no, it appears not to be. It depends on what lens is not on the M8, ISO setting not used, and situation you are not in though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 9, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 9, 2010 In answer to the original question- how many folks can claim to have done this comparison, the X1 has only been (accidentally) released to a few customers, while "the issues are fixed". Has anyone compared the output of M8, M8.2 or M9 to a state of the art digital camera? Light years behind, absolutely light years, in terms of technical features. As for the X1, it's an Instamatic and the Emperor is naked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 9, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 9, 2010 Light years behind, absolutely light years, in terms of technical features. Which is why I like these cameras... to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted January 10, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 10, 2010 Pete, you want to try a new game of six degrees of separation, testers to veracity. Bet you cant:D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted January 10, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 10, 2010 I played with the raw files available on line from the X1 and if they are any indication (and I think they are) the files from the X1 will be much cleaner than my M8, especially at iso above 640. There is simply no comparison when you try pushing the files...CMOS is cleaner and has more room for error. So far the color is also more to my taste, but that's more subjective. For that matter the X1 files are WAY better than those from my GF1 even at 400. I do have to laugh at the language used by some in comparing the two cameras (m8/X1). No they will not be equal...the X1 will be much better. Time does not stand still even for Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuxBob Posted January 11, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 11, 2010 Later in the year I could be in the market for one or the other. What concerns me about the X1 are the start up lag and auto focus time. AF would not be too much of a concern except that focussing the X1 manually is said to be not so simple. The lack of a viewfinder on the X1 is a negative but it woudln't stop me buying it. Otherwise the X1 is a relative bargain compared to the M8 and lens. In the X1 reviews, the usual comparison seems to be against the GF1 where it loses out on price. For me, they miss the point - part of the reason for buying the X1 or M8 is the ease of manual control, a la my R8 or Digilux 2. The G10 that I bought to be my carry around camera is a real pain when it comes to manual control and I have all but stopped using it. Note that most of my photography on the D700 is in Aperture mode with auto focus - I am not a manual freak but sometimes it is a necessity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 11, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 11, 2010 In the X1 reviews, the usual comparison seems to be against the GF1 where it loses out on price. For me, they miss the point - part of the reason for buying the X1 or M8 is the ease of manual control, a la my R8 or Digilux 2. Exactly. No nonsense digital cameras are hard to come by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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