30% off Lenses?

[davidmires]

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Why should one expect the 30% lens discount if he/she receives a new, updated M8?

I am under the impression that the 30% discount is intended as compensation for those who received a defective camera, and have to send that camera back to the factory.

Is this hard to understand, or am I missing something here?

[clou]

Why should one expect the 30% lens discount if he/she receives a new, updated M8?

I am under the impression that the 30% discount is intended as compensation for those who received a defective camera, and have to send that camera back to the factory.

Is this hard to understand, or am I missing something here?

 

I understand your opinion, but it is not what was in the draft : "If you have purchased and paid for a new Leica M8 in full before December 31, 2006 from

an authorized Leica dealer, you can exercise an option to purchase one Leica M-lens of

your choice directly from Leica Camera AG at a 30% discount."

[Venkman]

Why should one expect the 30% lens discount if he/she receives a new, updated M8?

 

Because the other kids did get it, too.

[Northern Qtr]

One should expect the 30% discound because i ordered my camera after reading the glowing reviews unbeknown that Leica had asked the reviewers to hold back on the problems ass with the camera. I had intended to get a CZ lens to go with it but i now find for the camera to work at its best you need to get Lieca coaded lenses and filters which without the discount would have been beond my means at this moment in time so the 30% discount means i am still in the game without having to wait another 3-4 months to save the extra cash that the leica lens costs over a CZ one

[carstenw]

I understand your opinion, but it is not what was in the draft : "If you have purchased and paid for a new Leica M8 in full before December 31, 2006 from

an authorized Leica dealer, you can exercise an option to purchase one Leica M-lens of your choice directly from Leica Camera AG at a 30% discount."

 

Well, that's exactly it. The 30% is a "sorry" from Leica for the inconvenience of people who have to send their camera back and be without it for an extended period of time, and also for people who have paid, yet see no camera for their outlay of money.

 

Olivier wants the 30% deal without the cash outlay, and thus has had no inconvenience, other than having to wait for a new product to ship, which to be honest, is quite common.

 

Olivier, if you want the 30% deal, pay the bill. It is that simple.

[davidmires]

... and also for people who have paid, yet see no camera for their outlay of money.

 

Good point, that is something I had not considered.

[scott kirkpatrick]

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Leica's offer makes perfect business sense -- "help us see good revenue growth in the fourth quarter and we'll help you to afford some nice lenses next year in the first or second quarter, dealing direct which is more profitable to the company anyway." But it does seem like it ignores the serious inconvenience to the early professional purchasers, who already have lots of lenses and take a more serious productivity hit when they are without their camera for 4-6 weeks. Tony Rose at Popflash understands things from the customer's point of view, and is doing something sensible about it.

 

scott

[sean_reid]

One should expect the 30% discound because i ordered my camera after reading the glowing reviews unbeknown that Leica had asked the reviewers to hold back on the problems ass with the camera. I had intended to get a CZ lens to go with it but i now find for the camera to work at its best you need to get Lieca coaded lenses and filters which without the discount would have been beond my means at this moment in time so the 30% discount means i am still in the game without having to wait another 3-4 months to save the extra cash that the leica lens costs over a CZ one

 

Leica didn't ask this reviewer to hold back discussion of any problems with the M8.

[sean_reid]

One should expect the 30% discound because i ordered my camera after reading the glowing reviews unbeknown that Leica had asked the reviewers to hold back on the problems ass with the camera. I had intended to get a CZ lens to go with it but i now find for the camera to work at its best you need to get Lieca coaded lenses and filters which without the discount would have been beond my means at this moment in time so the 30% discount means i am still in the game without having to wait another 3-4 months to save the extra cash that the leica lens costs over a CZ one

 

Leica didn't ask this reviewer to hold back discussion of any problems with the M8. Also, if you're thinking of CV lenses, we may be finding ways of working with the wides. Above 35 mm, they work very well on the M8.

[stunsworth]

One should expect the 30% discound because i ordered my camera after reading the glowing reviews unbeknown that Leica had asked the reviewers to hold back on the problems ass with the camera.

 

I know it sound harsh, but knowing the issues and their solution, if you're still unhappy with the camera wouldn't it be better to cancel the order?

[ChrisC]

Olivier wants the 30% deal without the cash outlay, and thus has had no inconvenience, other than having to wait for a new product to ship, which to be honest, is quite common.

 

Olivier, if you want the 30% deal, pay the bill. It is that simple.

 

Carsten - You are in Berlin and not dealing with the people that Olivier is dealing with from Montreal. I find your quote disingenuous as it bears no relationship to Olivier's position, which is as frustrating as my own in not knowing whether or not there is a deal advantage for making a large financial payment in advance for a product. Your snipe at a Leica customer seeking confirmation of whether or not there is a deal advantage should be aimed at the still continuing incompetence of Leica's public relations.

 

Olivier - I am in the UK and and am having similar difficulties to you trying to get information about Leica's intentions. I have an M8 on order, I am prepared to pay for it in advance of delivery, ; however I too want concrete assurances of what the advantage is for me doing so. My dealer is in the dark about Leica's strategy and I am keeping him up to date from reading this forum. I am also the very kind of customer that Leica should be targeting, i.e. a first time Leica buyer. So far I could not be less impressed with how the company has dealt with their regular, and new target customer base.

 

.....Chris

[j. borger]

Almost can't take the non-arguments any longer .......

How could a 30% lensdiscount ever make up for people who think the camera is crap .... ..... so if not satisfied cancel the camera, sent it back or sent it up ebay!

If it is a wondeful camera .. as i think it is ..... why care for the discount .. nice gesture ok... perhaps even sales-trick ..... nothing more, nothing less!

30% Discount on a lens will in almost all circumstances get you a lens more expensive than the same lens 2nd hand LNIB ........... At best for the same price.

So i just can't get it how this could ever be a dealmaker or dealbreaker!

[hammam]

I am in contact with my dealer. But I don't think he knows exactly himself how Leica will handle the 30% rebate. Also, the problem is not only me, and I'm trying to straighten things for whoever is concerned. Furthermore, it seems that the rebate, if any, will be treated by Leica directly, and not by the retailers. So, it's up to Leica, not the retailers, to clarify the situation. And they keep silent. Hence the suspicion.

 

I sent another mail to Leica, NJ, after they replied to my first mail, telling me about the filters but absolutely NOT about the rebate (which was the purpose of my mail), asking them to be straightforward and tell me exactly what the purpose of paying in full by Dec.31st was. And now, they don't reply. So, unless I'm proven wrong, which I sincerely wish, my advice is TO NOT pay in full until Leica has been clear on the matter. Unless you receive your M8, that is.

[hammam]

Please, please, hear me. I'm not saying I want to cancel my order. It's not even part of this particular discussion. It's irrelevant. I am awaiting my M8, I'm looking forward to it, and I'm excited about the M8, IR filters and all.

 

Now, what I am saying is this: I MIGHT BE willing to pay the full amount of the camera price before I receive it and before Dec. 31st, IF, repeat IF, LEICA CAN GUARANTEE that, in exchange for the full money, I will receive a voucher for a 30% rebate on the purchase of a lens.

 

So far, I haven't received any letter, from my dealer or otherwise, confirming this, and I haven't seen any clear and definitive statement from Leica confirming it either. There have been quotes from Leica, on this forum and elsewhere, to that effect, but there have also been contradictory statements by Leica. Even on the Leica site, all I see is this:

 

« If your LEICA M8 has not been delivered yet, but you have payed the full price in advance up to December 31st, 2006, you can pre-register yourself. To do so, please select: »

 

No mention of a 30% discount whatsoever.

 

Again, if somebody wants to point me to where I can read such definitive statement by Leica, again I'll gladly read it and stand corrected.

 

Now, if the rebate is intended solely for people who got early M8s and had to return them for repairs, okay, but then why don't LEICA SAY SO? But then, the whole thing does not make sense at all. These people have already paid in full.

 

Again, I never said I wanted the rebate without paying. Come on! I said I might consider paying in full IF I GET A REBATE. Otherwise, why should I do that?

 

If the whole rebate issue is just a misunderstanding, or some hastily issued promise by Leica, the let's forget it and enjoy our M8s. But, Leica, stop suggesting I should pay in full before Dec. 31st. without getting my camera.

 

Did I make myself clear?

[davidmires]

Oliver, the registration form on the Leica website is for the filters only. I have not seen any official Leica announcement regarding the 30% lens discount. However, my dealer has told me that I (having received an early M8, which I will have to return for repair) will be able to buy a lens directly from Leica at a 30% discount.

I'm not clear on the December 31 deadline regarding filter registration, but my guess is that they want to take care of the purchasers in order regarding filter delivery. But, of course that is only my guess...

[j. borger]

I'm not clear on the December 31 deadline regarding filter registration, but my guess is that they want to take care of the purchasers in order regarding filter delivery. But, of course that is only my guess...

My thoughts also ....it is even highly plausible that people ordering next year .... will not get any free filters at all ... because they could have known they might need to buy filters before ordering!

[Northern Qtr]

I know it sound harsh, but knowing the issues and their solution, if you're still unhappy with the camera wouldn't it be better to cancel the order?

 

I did not say i was uhappy with the camera all i said was that i expected it to work as per Leica product information and that i wanted CZ lenses due to the lower cost and for me the 30% discount now means that i can have a leica coded lens for about the same price or a little more than a CZ lens, which from all accounts is the best solution so far and due to this we deserve to have the discount thats all.

To Sean _Reid I found your web site well worth the small cost and very informative and its part of the reason i am still going ahead with my purchase of the M8 Many Thanks Paul Jones

[jlm]

for the discounted lenses, Leica ought to be offering a wholesale discount to their retailers, like Popflash, who otherwise will lose sales as buyers will bypass them.

The way it is suggested now, Leica gets the same returns, but the middle man gets cut out. So look who is paying for the discount!

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[hammam]

I don't think the Dec. 31st deadline has anything to do with the filters, only with the ghost-rebate. According to another mail from Leica, NJ, you can order them now (after Dec. 6th.) or in a year, as long as you have registered your camera with Leica.