twf Posted December 6, 2006 Share #1 Posted December 6, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) On the M8 if you use a 21mm lens can use use a 28mm M viewfinder on the Leica M8? The 21mm lens is the same focal length as a 28mm lens, so I am guessing you should be able to use the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 6, 2006 Posted December 6, 2006 Hi twf, Take a look here Leica M Viewfinder for the M8 . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 6, 2006 Share #2 Posted December 6, 2006 You use a external viewfinder for the 21mm . i have the C/V external 28 and is really nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted December 6, 2006 Share #3 Posted December 6, 2006 The M view finder has already taken the crop factor into consideration. the frame lines are in pairs, 24-35, 50-75, 28-90. so if you put on a 35mm lens it will bring up the 35 frame lines and show you the field of view that will be recorded. Some are reporting that the 21 field of view is almost equal to the whole viewfinder of the M8, ie outside the 24mm frame lines so you should not need an external finder. One comment, if you ware glasses you'll find it hard to actually view past the 24mm frame lines, and it gets even worse if you fit a + diopter so perhaps if your blind like me you will need an external finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 6, 2006 Share #4 Posted December 6, 2006 Yes you can cheat with the 21mm with the whole finder . Some image can't be seen though , so for critical framing the external works great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twf Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share #5 Posted December 6, 2006 I am talking about an external Leica viewfinder, but with the 21mm lens on the M8 (which I don't have yet). I would use the 28mm external viewfinder because the focal lenth of the 21mm equates to the 28mm lens. Is this assumton correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted December 6, 2006 Share #6 Posted December 6, 2006 Yes, Thomas look at the Voigtlanders 28mm external , really nice and a good price. CameraQuest Home and The Photo Village, Inc.. Of course leica makes the variable one also. oh Digital cameras, all other cameras and everything photographic from Adorama Camera also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 6, 2006 Share #7 Posted December 6, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thomas, yes, you can use the 21/24/28 viewfinder set to 28mm when you have the 21mm Elmarit on the M8. The lower two settings match the 16 and 18mm settings on the new Tri-Elmar, so the existing finder can be used for that lens as well. For M8 use, the new "Universal" finder is overkill - compared to the zooming finder, you see a frame on the new finder, so it is much more like looking through the M8 viewfinder. The example I tried at Photokina displayed horrendous barrel distortion. That finder is more appropriate to film M users who want to go wide to 16mm. For M8 users, the 21/24/28 finder is a neater solution. The new finder does have a spirit level visible in the viewfinder to help you hold the camera vertical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 6, 2006 Share #8 Posted December 6, 2006 Yes - using a 21mm lens on the M8, you would use a "28mm" external viewfinder in the accesory shoe. If you want to use a flash, the whole viewfinder, outside all the lines, will work as a rough approximation for aiming. In a pinch, the 24mm external finder is OK for longer distances, but risks cutting stuff off close up. Here's me, my M8, and my 28mm viewfinder (the lens is not a 21 - but I keep a finder in the shoe at all times anyway). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/10800-leica-m-viewfinder-for-the-m8/?do=findComment&comment=112373'>More sharing options...
twf Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share #9 Posted December 6, 2006 Thanks, I think I understand that the external viewfinder can be used on the M8 as I have used them on the M6, M7 with wide angle lenses. It is too bad Leica hasn't come out with a 16mm lens alone rather in a package of thee lenses. I like the shoot with wide angle lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted December 6, 2006 Share #10 Posted December 6, 2006 "I am guessing you should be able to use the viewfinder" Sorry my mistake, I thought you were refering to the M8 VF as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twf Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share #11 Posted December 6, 2006 Adan thanks. That is what I ment. I do understand that up close a lot would be lost. I hope I get the M8 soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike prevette Posted December 6, 2006 Share #12 Posted December 6, 2006 Nice Andy, I like your style, grey gaffers tape and all. _mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twf Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share #13 Posted December 6, 2006 Mark, that is a great help because I was thinking of buying that new set of three lenses but that viewfinder sounded terrible. I can use my 12,24,28 which I own and it is not as big as the camera like the new one. Still would like a 16mm lens alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 6, 2006 Share #14 Posted December 6, 2006 Thomas, I guess we're all hoping for some new wide-angle lenses at some point - specifically faster lenses (24/28) plus maybe a fixed 16mm f2.8. There is the monster Zeiss of course, but that is the problem, fast wide-angles are going to be big and heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 6, 2006 Share #15 Posted December 6, 2006 Nice Andy, I like your style, grey gaffers tape and all. _mike Yes, I like the colour co-ordination as well. Black tape on a chrome M8 would never do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevez4 Posted December 7, 2006 Share #16 Posted December 7, 2006 My old viewfinders won't fit in the M8 hotshoe I had to file them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean LeBlanc Posted December 7, 2006 Share #17 Posted December 7, 2006 Since with my M6, which has a .72 finder, I can use a 28mm lens, and see the 28mm frame lines in the finder, it seems odd that Leica couldn't fit frame lines in the M8 finder to show the same field of view as the 28mm frame lines in my M6. Why does the M8, with its lower magnification finder (.68 or something?) not show as wide a field of view as the M6? I would think that a 21mm lens should just bring up the 28mm frame lines in an M8. What's up with this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvaubel Posted December 7, 2006 Share #18 Posted December 7, 2006 Thomas, I guess we're all hoping for some new wide-angle lenses at some point - specifically faster lenses (24/28) plus maybe a fixed 16mm f2.8. There is the monster Zeiss of course, but that is the problem, fast wide-angles are going to be big and heavy. Here I go again but I, once more, must mention that Olympus made a perfectly servicable 21mm/f2.0 that was smaller than the current Leica/Zeiss 21mm/f2.8. And this was for the OM with extended back focus requirements. That would handily solve some the the cyan vignetting problems. I seem to be a lone wolf howling in the wind about this lens. Would someone please tell what is wrong with my analysis of desiriabilty of this design for the M8? Rex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 7, 2006 Share #19 Posted December 7, 2006 Since with my M6, which has a .72 finder, I can use a 28mm lens, and see the 28mm frame lines in the finder, it seems odd that Leica couldn't fit frame lines in the M8 finder to show the same field of view as the 28mm frame lines in my M6. Why does the M8, with its lower magnification finder (.68 or something?) not show as wide a field of view as the M6? I would think that a 21mm lens should just bring up the 28mm frame lines in an M8. What's up with this? I think I figured this one out, now that I have an M8 to work with. Because the M8 is thicker, front to back, the viewfinder "tunnel" is longer, and so the opening at the front end is more restricted, even with the lower magnification. It's just not quite as wide a view. Additionally, of course, the 21mm lens is forever linked to the 28 and 90 focal lengths as far as the mechanical linkage to framelines. They are all "keyed" to bring up the same frameline set. So one would have to put up with 3 frames showing at once with ANY/ALL of those lenses. And the 21 and 28 frames would be very close together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 7, 2006 Share #20 Posted December 7, 2006 My old viewfinders won't fit in the M8 hotshoe I had to file them down. I agree, I think the M8 hot shoe is quite tight, I found running a soft pencil along the inside edges helps alot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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