LondonM Posted December 27, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's a defective CCD, not a defective SD card I'd bet. The frames are in the same place, so it's got nothing to do with the card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 27, 2009 Posted December 27, 2009 Hi LondonM, Take a look here M9: Still Another Problem. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted December 27, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 27, 2009 In general, I do not take a new camera with me in an expensive trip until I can confirm it's working properly for, at least, 2-3 weeks of intense use, bearing in mind that there are trips that cost more than the camera in terms of money and time planning it.Ummm.. Mitch is not on a trip.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 27, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 27, 2009 Yes, as Jaap says, I'm not on as trip: I bought the camera in a European city where I spend two-three months a year, and left the following day for Bangkok, where I live. This is not a "once in a lifetime" trip, but just a regular trip that I make twice a year. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 27, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 27, 2009 I'd have to agree with most here. You should get a new camera. I'd phone your dealer and see what he/she can do.The dealer can't do anything because he's in Europe and I'm in Bangkok where all the local dealer can do is send the camera and receive it from Leica and handke the customs clearance. As noted earlier, I'm dealing with Leica service in Solms, who have been helpful and efficient. The only thing that they could have done differently was to have sent me a new camera rather than changing the sensor in this one, but in late-October they probably didn't have any new cameras to dedicate to this because of their order backlog. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 27, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 27, 2009 Not been near any cell phones, microwaves speakers etc?Everyone in a large city is near a cellphone; there are microwave towers everywhere. This is not a camera to be used only for hiking in the Outback, trekking in the Himalayas, stalking the veldt, or bush-wacking in New Guinea, for which, come to think of it, it would need to be weatherproof. Don't really understand the import of your question. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 27, 2009 Share #26 Posted December 27, 2009 Mitch, I'd suggest trying new SD cards (or re-format the ones you've got) this looks similar to a problem I had (see this thread). In my case, the left and right areas were filled with errored data. My camera went back to Leica who checked it out and simply said "use better cards" (not a reassuring diagnosis) but I've not seen an issue since the camera came back. (EDIT -- I wrote too soon, just reviewed my christmas photos and 2 of 70 from Xmas day show the same problem I had before (massive failure to write correct data to the DNG file covering approximately the same area as the dark ones in Mitch's second image above.).... Thanks for this information, which is helpful in that it confirms me in my view that the problem is Leica's to deal with, not mine; and that I'm not going to start testing other SD cards — or other try arcane manoeuvres like swinging the camera three times over my head and invoking the name "Barnack" three times before pressing the shutter — because I simply don't have the time and don't want to go out shooting in the current 32-33°C heat only to find, like yesterday, my pictures ruined. —MItch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 27, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know exactly how you feel, since I've sent my M8 four times for different errors.Four times 100US, four times 20 days of waiting in two years seems a lot, compared to some other cameras I own, which had nothing to repair. But the point is that they will eventually fix it (or replace), and after that it will work flawlessly- one advice- if a camera has more than one flaw, they tend to repair only one and return it. I seriously doubt that they examine everything as they say. Check twice by email that everything will be fixed. No, I agree what others have helpfully suggested above, that the camera should be replaced by a new one, not fixed — and have informed Leica that I will not accept having this camera fixed. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #28 Posted December 28, 2009 Mitch,Sorry for your problem ! Agree with Carlmuck Try a new SDHC card to see I always use Sandisk Extreme III 4 Gb 30 mb / s or 20 Mb / s Otherwise it's still strange and curious especially with a new sensor it happens with all pictures or just some ? H That is answered in my original post above. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 28, 2009 For what it's worth, the problem area's in Mitch's 2nd photo and Carlmuck's photos seem to align vertically, even though they look different. This suggests there is some connection, but I don't know what it could be. Mitch's look dark, whereas Carlmuck's look like an electronic pattern. When I superimposed alignment lines over the problem areas in Photoshop, the vertical lines align perfectly (while the horizontals vary). The vertical lines seem to fall at 5/18ths and 13/18ths of the image. So, for example, if each image is resized to 1800 pixels wide, the left line will fall at 500 pixels from the left edge and the right line will fall at 1300 pixels from the left edge. Interesting observation, which should help Leica engineers figure out the problem — after sending me a new camera — if they don't know already. Thanks everyone, for the help and commiseration. My problem should be a concern to everyone who is about to order an M9 or is waiting for one. I would recommend that anyone who receives an M9 or picks it up at a dealer should examine the sensor with a sensor loupe for cracks. Normally, I would not have expect this problem to persist for 2-1/2 months after I received my camera, but there is a report on the Leica Talk Forum on dpreview of someone in Shanghai having received an M9 with a cracked sensor glass just on 24 December — that this problem still persists is a cause for concern. Also, check the brightness of the LEDs in the viewfinder if photographing in countries with very bright light like that of Thailand: I still don't know whether my LEDs are less bright than other M9s, or whether it's a general problem. I must add that these problems are particularly frustrating because this camera can be so good when it is working, in my view, substantially better than the M8. Although not all of the following pictures are my favourites, they do show it's image quality: Bangkok | M9 | Summilux-50 | ISO 320 Bangkok | M9 | Summilux-50 | f/2.8 | ISO 1250 Bangkok | M9 | Summilux-50 | ISO 160 —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted December 28, 2009 Share #30 Posted December 28, 2009 I have bought three Nikon dslrs in the past three years and the sole problem was a small fleck of paint on top the focus screen of one. The fix was done at home. Additionally 15 or 20 lenses, two of which were old and needed focus relube. Yea their old lenses work too. I come from a manufacturing company and one mantra was "quality is free". You design the process so as not to generate defects. You do not inspect it in after the fact. Too bad Dr. Edwards Demming can`t still be hired as a consultant. Americans would not listen to him as he was starting his carrer, but the Jananese sucked it all in. The rest is history. W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 28, 2009 How kind of you to let us know about Deming and Nikon. I'd better run out and buy a D300 right away — oh, I forgot, I already have one. I thought long and hard before starting this thread, being aware that twits like this one would be coming out of the woodwork, but ultimately decided to post because I thought someone might be able to shed some light on the "rectangle problem", from which other people might benefit as well. This is not about hitting Leica on the head, for they've acted quickly and efficiently. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 28, 2009 I come from a manufacturing company and one mantra was "quality is free". You design the process so as not to generate defects. You do not inspect it in after the fact. Too bad Dr. Edwards Demming can`t still be hired as a consultant. Americans would not listen to him as he was starting his carrer, but the Jananese sucked it all in. The rest is history. Seems to me that Leica already follow Deming's 14 point checklist and also don't appear to suffer from the deadly diseases or obstacles from what I can tell. I think Mitch has just been unlucky with his two serial problems versus any systemic failure at Leica. It seems that they are sorting him out, although I do hope they just replace the camera this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 28, 2009 I received an e-mail response from Leica today, still morning in Germany, asking me to return the camera through their Bangkok dealer and they will send me a new one, which will be checked by Leica technicians before shipping. This, of course, is a very fast response, as they saw my e-mail and fax only this morning. They say that the rectangle problem is a fault that is occurring during during image processing and that it's "not a general fault of the camera". I take that to mean that means that is not a general M6 problem. Thanks everyone, for commiserating with me and for the advice. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 28, 2009 Share #34 Posted December 28, 2009 Well, not M6 for sure, but I would say that Leica is really trying to accomodate you as best they can, considering the distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted December 28, 2009 Share #35 Posted December 28, 2009 Moderator, there seems to be a bug in the forum software in that while there are three pictures in the foregoing post, when I tried to add the following one, it would not accept it, stating that there were 5, which were over the limit of 4. You should be placing these in the Photo sub-section. You know that. Smilies count as images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theendlesshouse Posted December 28, 2009 Share #36 Posted December 28, 2009 Everyone in a large city is near a cellphone; there are microwave towers everywhere. This is not a camera to be used only for hiking in the Outback, trekking in the Himalayas, stalking the veldt, or bush-whacking in New Guinea, for which, come to think of it, it would need to be weatherproof. Don't really understand the import of your question. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Because in very close proximity mobile phones etc. can sometimes effect data recording. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #37 Posted December 28, 2009 You should be placing these in the Photo sub-section. You know that. Smilies count as images. Well, with so much negative information about this particular M9, I thought that I should show that I like the camera and the image quality of which it is capable. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #38 Posted December 28, 2009 Well, not M6 for sure, but I would say that Leica is really trying to accomodate you as best they can, considering the distance.Jaap, I don't follow your M6 reference here. What do you mean? —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 28, 2009 Share #39 Posted December 28, 2009 Because in very close proximity mobile phones etc. can sometimes effect data recording.Yes, of course, but all digital cameras have to be able to work in the proximity of cell phones and mobile towers. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 28, 2009 Share #40 Posted December 28, 2009 I received an e-mail response from Leica today, still morning in Germany, asking me to return the camera through their Bangkok dealer and they will send me a new one, which will be checked by Leica technicians before shipping. This, of course, is a very fast response, as they saw my e-mail and fax only this morning. They say that the rectangle problem is a fault that is occurring during during image processing and that it's "not a general fault of the camera". I take that to mean that means that is not a general M6 problem. Thanks everyone, for commiserating with me and for the advice. —Mitch/Bangkok Barrier Just a little bit of leg-pulling, Mitch:p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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