jsrockit Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share #21 Posted December 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nice post, JS. I thought you were blowing hot and cold on the X1. Kind of hot on it now... who knows once it is available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #22 Posted December 28, 2009 Hmmm... I'm starting to like the Olympus now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 28, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 28, 2009 Hmmm... I'm starting to like the Olympus now. Why should anybody care......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #24 Posted December 28, 2009 Why should anybody care......... Well, they probably don't... but if people in real life aren't listening to me, where else am I supposed to go to empty my thoughts on general geekery? I just thought it was funny how a few days ago I was dissing the E-P1, and now I've learned to like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanidel Posted December 28, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 28, 2009 Hmmm...let me start some trouble. The review's for the micro 4/3 cameras are very good, even great. The Ricoh GXR is being raved about. The reviews for the X1 have been mediocre. Why is it that I still want the X1 when these supposedly superior options exist? 1) I am a sucker for a minimal design with simple menus. 2) 35mm equiv is my favorite lens length. 3) I like having a shutter speed dial and aperture dial marked as such... i.e. dedicated. 4) Aesthetics do, unfortunately, come into play when I purchase something (outside of the Olympus, the rest are ugly IMHO). 5) The shortcomings of the X1 will not effect my style of Photography. 6) I tend to use one lens when I go out for the day...and that lens is always btwn 35-50mm (unless I choose to use my Ricoh). 7) It's cheaper than another digital M with lens... and it is smaller. Out of your 7 points, only #3 is a real differentiation with the GF1, DP2 or E-P2. The rest is a question of personal taste, all points could apply to any of these cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted December 28, 2009 Out of your 7 points, only #3 is a real differentiation with the GF1, DP2 or E-P2. The rest is a question of personal taste, all points could apply to any of these cameras. I know that, but I was giving my reasons why I still prefer the X1, not why the X1 is better for everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stkorn Posted December 28, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 28, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why should anybody care......... well, if you are reading this thread then I think its fair to presume you do care since its his thread. Anyway, like you I was going back and forth between the X1 and EP-1 in my case as a digital companion to my M2. I ultimately decided I would buy the EP-2 and use it for a few months since the X1 isn't out yet anyway. If I don't like it, I can always sell it and get an X1 in the spring. Here are my first impressions of the EP-2 FWIW: What I like: - The EVF. I am convinced this is the future for digital cameras and olympus did a great job with this one. It feels alot like an OVF but works with every focal distance. I also like that it tilts to 90 degrees, it feels almost like shooting with a TLR that way. - Manual focus is really nicely done on this camera. Focusing with the lens barrel feels alot more natural to me than using a thumbwheel on the back of the camera ala X1 and DP2. Also, it is nicely integrated with the AF whereby you can use AF and then adjust/tweak with the lens and it immediately goes into magnified view for critical focus. Together with the EVF this works great. - Build quality/feel in the hand. Very solid, feels alot like a smaller M8 to me. - Image quality so far has been very impressive. If you can't make good pictures with this camera the problem is more likely you than the camera (in which case the X1 isn't going to save you anyway). - HD video. I know Leica likes to be the serious photography tool and all that but for me its really nice to have the option to take video sometimes, especially if you have this camera with you all the time. When I travel I feel like EP-2 plus M2 has me covered for virtually all situations I might encounter. - Haven't received my Voigtlander adapter yet but being able to use all my Leica lenses on it is a nice bonus. Things I don't like: - I wish it had the X1's shooting screen (just exposure setting and ISO on the bottom). They have several choices but not one as elegant as that. - The command dial with direct buttons built in. A little too easy to accidentally change ISO or WB while turning the dial. Again, X1's direct buttons seem better. - The black finish. I really wish this was available in silver like the EP-1. I'm going to put the Aki-Asahi leatherette on it as with the picture above and see how that looks. - The camera is solid but the lenses themselves feel a bit plastick-y for my tastes. But at least they are really light. All in all, so far I am liking this camera alot although I will admit to still being intrigued by the X1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share #28 Posted December 29, 2009 Nice info stkorn, thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 29, 2009 Share #29 Posted December 29, 2009 Tomorrow jsrockit will like the GF1 which never existed to him .......... two posts in a row as follows about the X1 Kind of hot on it now... next post Hmmm... I'm starting to like the Olympus now ......I guess the trendy one of the time will win out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share #30 Posted December 29, 2009 ......I guess the trendy one of the time will win out Yes, you know me and I'm so trendy. You've come to this conclusion based on the fact that I changed my mind about a f-ing camera? It's easy to be tough on the internet huh stnami? The truth is that I don't mind being wrong and admitting it. The E-P1, while not ideal, is a very nice camera. I've tried it a few times and now like it. The GF-1, not so much. I'm just not into Panasonics. I didn't know any of these cameras were trendy. Maybe in our geek world on a forum, but in everyday life... people just don't care about this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted December 29, 2009 Share #31 Posted December 29, 2009 Yea Panasonic is a bit common aai?.......... but there are more posts to be made one never knows ........in everyday life being trendy is pretty important, pink sonys sell well as do fast brand focused cars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted December 29, 2009 Share #32 Posted December 29, 2009 well, if you are reading this thread then I think its fair to presume you do care since its his thread. Anyway, like you I was going back and forth between the X1 and EP-1 in my case as a digital companion to my M2. I ultimately decided I would buy the EP-2 and use it for a few months since the X1 isn't out yet anyway. If I don't like it, I can always sell it and get an X1 in the spring. Here are my first impressions of the EP-2 FWIW: What I like: - The EVF. I am convinced this is the future for digital cameras and olympus did a great job with this one. It feels alot like an OVF but works with every focal distance. I also like that it tilts to 90 degrees, it feels almost like shooting with a TLR that way. - Manual focus is really nicely done on this camera. Focusing with the lens barrel feels alot more natural to me than using a thumbwheel on the back of the camera ala X1 and DP2. Also, it is nicely integrated with the AF whereby you can use AF and then adjust/tweak with the lens and it immediately goes into magnified view for critical focus. Together with the EVF this works great. - Build quality/feel in the hand. Very solid, feels alot like a smaller M8 to me. - Image quality so far has been very impressive. If you can't make good pictures with this camera the problem is more likely you than the camera (in which case the X1 isn't going to save you anyway). - HD video. I know Leica likes to be the serious photography tool and all that but for me its really nice to have the option to take video sometimes, especially if you have this camera with you all the time. When I travel I feel like EP-2 plus M2 has me covered for virtually all situations I might encounter. - Haven't received my Voigtlander adapter yet but being able to use all my Leica lenses on it is a nice bonus. Things I don't like: - I wish it had the X1's shooting screen (just exposure setting and ISO on the bottom). They have several choices but not one as elegant as that. - The command dial with direct buttons built in. A little too easy to accidentally change ISO or WB while turning the dial. Again, X1's direct buttons seem better. - The black finish. I really wish this was available in silver like the EP-1. I'm going to put the Aki-Asahi leatherette on it as with the picture above and see how that looks. - The camera is solid but the lenses themselves feel a bit plastick-y for my tastes. But at least they are really light. All in all, so far I am liking this camera alot although I will admit to still being intrigued by the X1. Just when I had my mind made up on the X1, you have me thinking again! Actually glad you posted this because I'm with you on most of it. I will say the X1 is a better investment despite being more expensive. I bet it will retain most of it's original value during the same period the current 4/3 models will rapidly decline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stkorn Posted December 29, 2009 Share #33 Posted December 29, 2009 Just when I had my mind made up on the X1, you have me thinking again! Actually glad you posted this because I'm with you on most of it. I will say the X1 is a better investment despite being more expensive. I bet it will retain most of it's original value during the same period the current 4/3 models will rapidly decline. You may be right although probably they will both decline in value with the rate that digital camera technology is changing. For example if an improved X2 comes out in 12 months with much faster AF speed or maybe a high-resolution EVF then X1 will lose value too. Olympus already said they are coming out with a new M4/3 model next year so I know EP-2 will. Its just where we are on the technology curve right now, in a few more years it will flatten out I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kschwarz Posted January 3, 2010 Share #34 Posted January 3, 2010 I find it interesting that out of 33 posts in this thread only one has a sideways remark about the improved image quality of the X1 compared to the competitors. Isn't IQ the most important reason to choose one camera over another? Price, aesthetics, and features all influence decision-making, but what we all want is the best IQ possible. After IQ, I see the biggest difference between the X1 and GF-1/ E-P2 is the restriction to one focal length. Looking back at my photos, I see that I have used a 35mm focal length lens for the majority of my work, so I do not see the fixed focal length as a hugh limitation. What I get in return is a perfectly matched optic to the sensor, no sensor dust and a more compact camera. All those issues aside, what I really what in a compact is IQ that matches my heavier equipment in a smaller more convenient package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted January 3, 2010 Share #35 Posted January 3, 2010 I find it interesting that out of 33 posts in this thread only one has a sideways remark about the improved image quality of the X1 compared to the competitors. Isn't IQ the most important reason to choose one camera over another? Price, aesthetics, and features all influence decision-making, but what we all want is the best IQ possible. After IQ, I see the biggest difference between the X1 and GF-1/ E-P2 is the restriction to one focal length. Looking back at my photos, I see that I have used a 35mm focal length lens for the majority of my work, so I do not see the fixed focal length as a hugh limitation. What I get in return is a perfectly matched optic to the sensor, no sensor dust and a more compact camera. All those issues aside, what I really what in a compact is IQ that matches my heavier equipment in a smaller more convenient package. Well, IQ is very important BUT if you miss the shot because you couldn't focus the best IQ in the world becomes useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share #36 Posted January 3, 2010 I find it interesting that out of 33 posts in this thread only one has a sideways remark about the improved image quality of the X1 compared to the competitors. Isn't IQ the most important reason to choose one camera over another? Price, aesthetics, and features all influence decision-making, but what we all want is the best IQ possible. After IQ, I see the biggest difference between the X1 and GF-1/ E-P2 is the restriction to one focal length. Looking back at my photos, I see that I have used a 35mm focal length lens for the majority of my work, so I do not see the fixed focal length as a hugh limitation. What I get in return is a perfectly matched optic to the sensor, no sensor dust and a more compact camera. All those issues aside, what I really what in a compact is IQ that matches my heavier equipment in a smaller more convenient package. Well, yes... it may fit us and our way of working, but not everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted January 3, 2010 Share #37 Posted January 3, 2010 I find it interesting that out of 33 posts in this thread only one has a sideways remark about the improved image quality of the X1 compared to the competitors. Isn't IQ the most important reason to choose one camera over another? Price, aesthetics, and features all influence decision-making, but what we all want is the best IQ possible. After IQ, I see the biggest difference between the X1 and GF-1/ E-P2 is the restriction to one focal length. Looking back at my photos, I see that I have used a 35mm focal length lens for the majority of my work, so I do not see the fixed focal length as a hugh limitation. What I get in return is a perfectly matched optic to the sensor, no sensor dust and a more compact camera. All those issues aside, what I really what in a compact is IQ that matches my heavier equipment in a smaller more convenient package. Fully agree, this is why I stick to Sigma's DP1 and DP2 as far as truly pocketable digitals are concerned, despite their warts. I had hopes that the X1 would better the DP2 not only in the higher iso IQ contest, though. Am not sure this is good enough for 3-4 times the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmac55 Posted January 3, 2010 Share #38 Posted January 3, 2010 I find it interesting that out of 33 posts in this thread only one has a sideways remark about the improved image quality of the X1 compared to the competitors. Isn't IQ the most important reason to choose one camera over another? Price, aesthetics, and features all influence decision-making, but what we all want is the best IQ possible. After IQ, I see the biggest difference between the X1 and GF-1/ E-P2 is the restriction to one focal length. Looking back at my photos, I see that I have used a 35mm focal length lens for the majority of my work, so I do not see the fixed focal length as a hugh limitation. What I get in return is a perfectly matched optic to the sensor, no sensor dust and a more compact camera. All those issues aside, what I really what in a compact is IQ that matches my heavier equipment in a smaller more convenient package. Agree. In the end, image quality trumped all so your fellow NYer placed an order for the X1. Aside from the occasional need for a telephoto reach, I also don't mind the fixed 35mm lens. I'm not afraid to crop a little, a feature that works better with a good image to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markpsf Posted January 3, 2010 Share #39 Posted January 3, 2010 And I agree with you both, which is why this former NYer has also ordered one. BTW, I find that most forum entries tell us more about the preferences and anxieties of the posters than about the camera, especially, and understandably, when the camera is still largely anticipated rather than experienced. Mark Agree. In the end, image quality trumped all so your fellow NYer placed an order for the X1. Aside from the occasional need for a telephoto reach, I also don't mind the fixed 35mm lens. I'm not afraid to crop a little, a feature that works better with a good image to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 3, 2010 Share #40 Posted January 3, 2010 BTW, I find that most forum entries tell us more about the preferences and anxieties of the posters than about the camera, especially, and understandably, when the camera is still largely anticipated rather than experienced. You never said a truer word... whatever happened to sangfroid?? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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