farnz Posted December 23, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I think ran into one thing with the dlux 4 yesterday that surprised me. I shot a landscape after a rain and was surprised how low the overall detail was of the trees in the distance at 100% view - seemingly a weak point compared to my older dslr (7mp). overall I was happy with how the pictures turned out - but also surprised at the massive difference in contrast between shots very close together timewise. If you were looking at the jpeg rather than the raw file then I'm not surprised because the jpeg will have been processed in the camera and any noise reduction is likely to have smeared the detail. Have a look at the raw unprocessed file and you might be surprised. The level of detail in distant objects will also depend on the aperture used and the focal plane; if you shoot at f/8 with focus on the distant object there should be plenty of detail recorded in the raw file. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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h00ligan Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share #22 Posted December 23, 2009 If you were looking at the jpeg rather than the raw file then I'm not surprised because the jpeg will have been processed in the camera and any noise reduction is likely to have smeared the detail. Have a look at the raw unprocessed file and you might be surprised. The level of detail in distant objects will also depend on the aperture used and the focal plane; if you shoot at f/8 with focus on the distant object there should be plenty of detail recorded in the raw file. Pete. Thanks for the well considered reply Pete. I did shoot at f/2.8 with 12.8mm focal length at iso 80. Here's a 100%crop the full photo (obv reduced res.) without processing - it looks underexposed to me. I added a crop of the grass below too.. i am having a hard time articulating what i mean.. I think perhaps at 100% it always looks so noisy and pixel cluttered? I have a feeling I did something wrong shooting the photo - although as you said when i viewed the raw file and controlled the noise reduction. Obviously I can correct (to my rookie eye) the levels in this photo to make it more pleasing (to me). Unfortunately when testing multiple digital darkroom packages i seem to have lost a lot of raw files from this outing (bummer). This is one of the few I have left. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/107323-how-do-you-think-dl4-iq-stacks-up-against-an-old-dslr/?do=findComment&comment=1161927'>More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share #23 Posted December 23, 2009 here's the grass from actually the next pic in the series. I'm having a hard time articulating what looks off to me... maybe that it's so grainy - and maybe that's just what 100% looks like and maybe I just need to add some noise reduction. So many maybe's when you have no idea what you are doing or talking about. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/107323-how-do-you-think-dl4-iq-stacks-up-against-an-old-dslr/?do=findComment&comment=1161935'>More sharing options...
daveleo Posted December 23, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 23, 2009 You can get them for passion rather professionalism. Especially for Leica brand. I saw a lot of young guys hanging a heavy as possible DSLR around their neck and don't have a clue about some basic principles of photography like what is Aperture and how does it work or affect process of taking a picture. Leica is a brand of passion and if you exploit wisely, in time you can get great pictures. jees .... don't i wish i had said those words ..... i dragged around a heavy bag of (film generation) stuff for years and years .... i tell myself "i was learning" .... well i learned .... it ain't the mass of crap you drag with you .... it's you and the one camera & lens that's part of you. nicely spoken, regedit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 23, 2009 Author Share #25 Posted December 23, 2009 This is a meaningless comparison unless the two machines were set EXACTLY the same and the resultant images processed and viewed identically, surely? Regards, Bill Yes, you have a point, speculation could be part of my problem. I'll take both cams out and shoot the same shot as closely as possible with identical settings, sorry for the glaring omission in my statement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted December 24, 2009 So in playing around a bit, it seems that my aperture was in fact set too low.. cheers for the info. I may spend the next few days in aperture priority mode to get a better understanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 24, 2009 Share #27 Posted December 24, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) h00ligan, With the greatest respect the palms look blurry or out of focus to me, which may look to you like they've lost detail. At first I thought it might have been wind blowing the fronds and causing blurring but when I look at the street light on the right hand side, which is on roughly the same plane as the palms, that looks blurry as well. I can't tell what the shutter speed was so the whole photo may be affected by motion blur. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share #28 Posted December 24, 2009 h00ligan, With the greatest respect the palms look blurry or out of focus to me, which may look to you like they've lost detail. At first I thought it might have been wind blowing the fronds and causing blurring but when I look at the street light on the right hand side, which is on roughly the same plane as the palms, that looks blurry as well. I can't tell what the shutter speed was so the whole photo may be affected by motion blur. Pete. Don't worry about hurting my feelings. I'm just starting and I know I stink! I agree the whole thing looks out of focus. Which is strange to me given the focal length. The shutter speed was 1/320. But the aperture was low as you speculated. This is what confused me. I wonder if I left it set to macro af by accident. :/. Thank youfor your valuable help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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