Samir Jahjah Posted December 27, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 27, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is a multiple regression (right phrase?) process - I would say iterative process ... In any case thanks a lot for these useful tips and information ... however I have not figured out yet how to do this in Lightroom Also, these calibration would only work of the white balance is set correctly in the first place, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jonoslack Posted December 27, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 27, 2009 Hi Julian Great information from Adan, and useful information with respect to colour balance which I generally would agree with. The one thing I don't agree with is 'use Lightroom'. I've been using Aperture with the M9 since the beginning, and I quite agree with you about the pink reds (especially in artificial light). However, until Apple actually come up with the profile (and probably after that) it does need some care. Suggestions: 1. reduce the boost value to 50% (or even less) and save it as the camera profile. 2. If you are shooting in tungsten or mixed lighting, then take a manual white balance off a piece of white paper / wall / anything. It makes life a great deal simpler afterwards. 3. make up a couple of colour presets to deal with the reds. I use two, one for general purposes (M9 Red) and one for low light (M9 very red). M9 Red is simply an increase in the red hue by 10% M9 Very Red is a 15% increase in the red hue, a 5% decrease in the saturation and a 15% decrease in the Red Luminance. this is all a bit of a moving target depending on your white balance value (but this will be the same with either C1 or Lightroom or ACR). After spending a couple of years with Aperture I have been doing lots of testing with Aperture, Lightroom (2.5 and 3 beta) and Capture 1 version 5, with the intention of changing from Aperture if necessary. They all do a good job (perhaps C1 is the very best), right now Aperture needs a little more work to start with, but once you've worked out your default import settings, and your preferred colour balance presets I still think it does a better job then Lightroom (and it has other real benefits for me). The best advice I can give you is to persevere with Aperture, and to think very hard before you ditch one DAM program for another (the amount of work required to change is huge, and even if you do think that LR has benefits right now, a new version of Aperture may change all that). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nryn Posted December 27, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 27, 2009 What Jono said. A DAM switch is a once-every-dozen-years proposition for me. Apple is very slow about releasing new RAW profiles, but I don't buy a camera every other week, so as long as I can get my images in to Aperture, I can rate and keyword and process them, then re-do the "keeper" images some time later when necessary. Lightroom has very impressive development features and, from what I hear, good RAW support, but I've never appreciated its modal interface. The current version of Aperture is definitely getting a little long in the tooth, but I suspect the upcoming version (whenever that happens) will be pretty impressive. And whatever the feature delta, I'm not going to migrate 40K images to a new library any time soon. I already did that once in the last five years--moving from iView Media Pro to Aperture once MS bought the former. And my god was that a pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luuk Posted December 27, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 27, 2009 Jeff, A nice option for you may be X-rite colorchecker passport. A small color checker card in a box. Easy to take it with you. It comes wit software to create your own camera profiles on the fly. Including a Lightroom plug-in. Luuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongrelnomad Posted December 28, 2009 Author Share #25 Posted December 28, 2009 The best advice I can give you is to persevere with Aperture, and to think very hard before you ditch one DAM program for another (the amount of work required to change is huge, and even if you do think that LR has benefits right now, a new version of Aperture may change all that). I'm loathe to move now - about two years ago I moved about 2,000+ images over from Lightroom to Aperture (I couldn't deal with the regimented workflow of Lightroom). I rocked up to the Genius Bar at the local Apple Store, plonked down my MacBook Pro and told them I wanted to switch. The Aperture Genius looked at me, smiled and nodded. Then I asked "how?" He just continued looking at me. I ended up going home with no help, but still determined, The process was a nightmare, and not something I'm looking to go through again. Now Apple... how about that RAW profile update? Huh? Huh!!!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nryn Posted December 28, 2009 Share #26 Posted December 28, 2009 I suspect, Julian, that it's just a matter of time. I also suspect it'll come with an updated version of Aperture (which I hope is just around the corner). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHK Posted January 20, 2010 Share #27 Posted January 20, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Would anyone venture to guess if an updated RAW driver for the M9 by apple would work retroactively with pictures already imported to clear up the red issue? I recently purchased my first Leica (an M9), deciding that I want to get back to basics and be more involved in my photos by taking control of my pictures (rather than have a DSLR take control for me) and I have yet to put the camera down over the past week that I have been using it. Unfortunately, when I downloaded my first set this past weekend, I encountered the RED issue and it has been driving me nuts. Although trying to adjust the color in Aperture, I have not been successful in getting the images right. I am heading on a trip to Turkey in short order and I am trying to decide whether to take my existing DSLR or the M9. I am gravitating towards the DSLR because I don't want to deal with the RED issue when I download the pics after returning. If people think that a new RAW driver would retroactively adjust previously downloaded images, I might tend to take the M9 given the pictures can be fixed at a later time. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samir Jahjah Posted January 20, 2010 Share #28 Posted January 20, 2010 Would anyone venture to guess if an updated RAW driver for the M9 by apple would work retroactively with pictures already imported to clear up the red issue? I recently purchased my first Leica (an M9), deciding that I want to get back to basics and be more involved in my photos by taking control of my pictures (rather than have a DSLR take control for me) and I have yet to put the camera down over the past week that I have been using it. Unfortunately, when I downloaded my first set this past weekend, I encountered the RED issue and it has been driving me nuts. Although trying to adjust the color in Aperture, I have not been successful in getting the images right. I am heading on a trip to Turkey in short order and I am trying to decide whether to take my existing DSLR or the M9. I am gravitating towards the DSLR because I don't want to deal with the RED issue when I download the pics after returning. If people think that a new RAW driver would retroactively adjust previously downloaded images, I might tend to take the M9 given the pictures can be fixed at a later time. Any thoughts would be appreciated. You can download Lightroom and have very good renditon. In any case, when Apple upgrade the RAW engine, you will have the option to process your existing images with the new engine. That being said, I have switched away from Aperture as they are slow to make the camera I use (lumix and Leica M9) compatible. So you can enjoy your M9 in Turkey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongrelnomad Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share #29 Posted January 22, 2010 Would anyone venture to guess if an updated RAW driver for the M9 by apple would work retroactively with pictures already imported to clear up the red issue? I recently purchased my first Leica (an M9), deciding that I want to get back to basics and be more involved in my photos by taking control of my pictures (rather than have a DSLR take control for me) and I have yet to put the camera down over the past week that I have been using it. Unfortunately, when I downloaded my first set this past weekend, I encountered the RED issue and it has been driving me nuts. Although trying to adjust the color in Aperture, I have not been successful in getting the images right. I am heading on a trip to Turkey in short order and I am trying to decide whether to take my existing DSLR or the M9. I am gravitating towards the DSLR because I don't want to deal with the RED issue when I download the pics after returning. If people think that a new RAW driver would retroactively adjust previously downloaded images, I might tend to take the M9 given the pictures can be fixed at a later time. Any thoughts would be appreciated. I assume it will be applicable retroactively. One of Aperture's best features (IMO) is the 'lift and stamp' tool. I believe you'll be able to 'lift' the RAW profile adjustment off an image (when it's released of course) and just 'stamp' it onto any and all M9 files. So Apple, for god's sake - GIVE US THE PROFILE!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted January 22, 2010 Share #30 Posted January 22, 2010 Adan, What do you use to calibrate your monitor and then to the printer? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHK Posted January 25, 2010 Share #31 Posted January 25, 2010 I assume it will be applicable retroactively. One of Aperture's best features (IMO) is the 'lift and stamp' tool. I believe you'll be able to 'lift' the RAW profile adjustment off an image (when it's released of course) and just 'stamp' it onto any and all M9 files. So Apple, for god's sake - GIVE US THE PROFILE!!! That will be quite a few Lift and stamps that will need to be done by the time the fix is released! At least, at this point, I have been able to create a default profile that seems to fix most of the issue, and then I need to tweak each individual shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 25, 2010 Share #32 Posted January 25, 2010 That will be quite a few Lift and stamps that will need to be done by the time the fix is released! At least, at this point, I have been able to create a default profile that seems to fix most of the issue, and then I need to tweak each individual shot. I think only 1 lift and 1 stamp (after you've selected all the files you want to stamp) Seems like Aperture 3 may be announced on Wednesday 27th together with the apple pad. Here's hoping! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted January 25, 2010 Share #33 Posted January 25, 2010 Seems like Aperture 3 may be announced on Wednesday 27th together with the apple pad. Here's hoping! +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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